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Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Has McGregor got daughters? At least in time, when they are young women, they'll get to read about what kind of man he was.

    It'd be an interesting father daughter lecture, 'Watch out for men who ply you with drugs and alcohol and leave their partners to meet randomers at ten in the morning....oh hang on..'

    I don't think MMA has a governing body that gives a **** about this. In rugby you're gone til the trial is done and finished if gone against. MMA? Dana White I'm sure doesn't care once dollars can still generate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    All I can say is you have no clue about how big he is. Just because he hasn't fought for a couple of years doesn't mean he's forgotten about.

    He transcended the sport of MMA/UFC. He's Conor McGregor, not a UFC fighter, he's his own brand. He started a whiskey company and sold it for $600 million. His stardom made it a huge seller.

    I still believe if he loses this case it severely hurts him financially because he's such big news it'll be reported in media all over the world. You'd have to imagine that it will turn millions of his fans against him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    All I can say is you have no clue about how big he is. Just because he hasn't fought for a couple of years doesn't mean he's forgotten about.

    The only thing he is in the news for lately is his binging on drink and drugs and being roided up to the teeth. I never said he was forgotten about, he is in the news all the time, but he isn't in it for his sporting achievements, is he?

    He transcended the sport of MMA/UFC. He's Conor McGregor, not a UFC fighter, he's his own brand. He started a whiskey company and sold it for $600 million.

    That is great, doesn't mean people will pay to watch him in an exhibition boxing match, and if they did then they deserve to be parted with their money.

    His stardom made it a huge seller.

    Good use of the past tense there. You are right.

    I still believe if he loses this case it severely hurts him financially because he's such big news it'll be reported in media all over the world. You'd have to imagine that it will turn millions of his fans against him.

    Pretty sure he has lost plenty of fans as it is, this isn't the first accusation against him, and his general behaviour alone will have lost him fans. If anyone were to still support him, you'd have to question their ethics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    He might lose some of his fair weather Irish fans but the hardcore McGregor fans will cling onto the CCTV footage angle, will claim his innocence and ignore the compelling evidence from medical professionals regarding extensive bruising, having a tampon removed with a forceps and being diagnosed with PTSD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Homelander


    If your argument is that McGregor is a scumbag, then absolutely fair enough.

    But if your argument is that no-one wants to see him fight and he's no longer a draw, then that is just not realisic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Look, neither of us like him but your hate is blinding you. He's still huge and he'll sell out any fight anywhere both in the arena and ppv. If he fights Crawford it'll be at a minimum top 5 ppv all time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Yeah all those horrible fans he gained with the attack on the bus will remain loyal to him. There a lot more fans he has who love him because he's Irish and he'll lose millions of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    He seems a total scumbag. Whether guilty or innocent, left a young woman black and blue, was apparently coked out of his mind himself etc.

    He's no 'bad boy'; that's a waster and lowlife.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    He really isn't pal, I think you have the blinkers on here. You are conflating him being in the news with him being relevant somehow. He isn't, he is using it all for marketing with saying he will fight XYZ in a fight, when he wouldn't last 30 seconds with pretty much anyone in the UFC at this stage.

    If he fights Crawford, my arse it will be a top 5. Not a chance, MAYBE a few years ago, but not now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    My argument is that he is nowhere near the same draw as he was, he wouldn't pull anywhere near the same numbers now, not even close.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Homelander


    And that's fair enough but only time can tell that. People said similar about his fights with Porier and they were global PPV gold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Well the second one was still on the end of Covid, so there wasn't a crowd for it, the third was seen to be if he still had it in him, and he didn't.

    I can't see him fighting ever again, what would be the need anyway at this point. He has the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Has there been evidence submitted in court that she decline a settlement? I didn't think that was allowed.

    Reminder, I'm referred to the "actions" as presented in court, that the jury are asked to decide upon. Not the settlement deals pre-court



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Is there evidence which proves he at least had sex with her? DNA or an admission from McGregor?

    Or is it his word against hers? Are they claiming it was the friend who did it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,510 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think it’s fairly clear from McGregor’s own defence that they are not disputing that McGregor and the woman had intercourse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,510 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Well, yes. If you read the evidence presented…

    The friend alleges he too had intercourse, a claim the woman has “denied,” as she says she cannot remember this. She says it’s a made up story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,510 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    just on how this may or may not hurt his standing with fans and media etc.. our own Katie Taylor is all over Tyson… an idol of hers. A man unanimously found guilty of raping a woman in 1991.. as well as many anti woman/mysogonistic utterings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 TomCor1


    Is McGregor expected to give evidence do we know?

    Also, with a jury of 12, will the verdict need to be majority or unanimous to convict?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,510 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    There is no conviction in a civil trial. A majority verdict is enough for him to be found liable.

    Someone mentioned that he would give evidence. I don’t think he will; and if I was on a jury I’d see that as incriminating. If he believes he did nothing wrong, simply tell your story. Tell the truth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I read all the evidence from day 1 and won't be reading through another day's because I find these descriptions too distressing. That's why I'm asking.

    What I'm asking is there solid evidence ie. DNA or an admission from McGregor that he had sex with her? Because if not and his side claims it was the friend who did then it's his word against hers right?

    Just on your post above can the jury deem something incriminating based off their opinion or is it strictly based off law? I can't see how legally not giving evidence personally can incriminate you. If you were to stand depending how it went it could help or go against you but legally letting your representatives handle the defence should be ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,510 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    As far as I know, McGregor hasn’t publicly commented on this trial.

    There is pretty much no disputing from either side that they had sex. The defence has not ever said that Conor denied having sex..

    The defence not specifically uttering sentences like “we agree you and Conor had sexual intercourse” doesn’t change this. It’s probably better from a defence side they don’t specifically say this.

    the defence case is pretty much that the sex was consensual and that the woman was enthusiastic and willing.

    As for the incriminating point I made: It’s how they think/feel about it. I don’t think it odd that a juror would be “thinking” to themselves “if he’s innocent why does he not take the stand and tell the truth.” Just how they may view it and how it might sway how they judge this. And this is NOT a criminal trial, anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Thanks for the reply.

    So his defence doesn't specify who had sex. I'm assuming they'll be using the friend as evidence that it was Indeed him who did it and as you say they claim any sex was consensual.

    I wouldn't be too confident her winning this case based off some of the details.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,510 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No, McGregor’s defence have argued that the first sexual encounter, between Conor and the woman was consensual and that she was enthusiastic and willing.

    Charlotte Murphy, forensic scientist: “She said DNA obtained from the vaginal area were a "thousand million times more likely" to have originated from Conor McGregor than another unrelated person.”

    The defence are NOT in anyway trying to say/imply that it was Lawrence and the woman who only had sex.

    Remy Farrell is Mcgregor’s defender. He has only defended McGregor here, and Farrell specifically said that the sex between McGregor and the woman was consensual.

    There is no dispute/ambiguity here relating to McGregor and the woman having had sex.

    Lawrence ‘s defender is arguing that his client had consensual sex with the woman, and Farrell has also argued this. Farrell saying it to dilute and discredit the woman’s claim that she was earlier raped by McGregor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Sorry I misunderstood your other post. It's mad that Dee puts up with all the cheating but then again it happens in a lot of relationships and break ups don't happen especially if there's kids involved.

    But back to the case so as you say there's no dispute over the sex just whether it was consensual. And I'm guessing McGregors defence will try and suggest any rough play didn't occur during his encounter and assume it was his friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You need nine to vote the same way in a civil trial to get a win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,510 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    From what I have read it doesn’t appear that McGregor’s defender is trying to imply the rough sex was more related to Lawrence.

    I haven’t read any details yet from McGregor’s defence to try explain the bruisings and markings and medical details relating to the woman.

    The evidence presented from a medical side and a psychiatric side, etc is fairly compelling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,361 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Defence case begins-

    Danielle Kealy is now giving evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,510 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The allegation about Ms. Hand biting McGregor on the face I found a bit odd.

    Something like that would be very painful, and very likely to illicit it a strong physical reaction. And Ms. Hand implied the bite was in a defence type mode, which likely was forceful, and not in a gentle/playful type way.

    Danielle Kealy says she didn’t see any bite mark on McGregor’s face.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Imagine if this was in the US and he loses, it could be worth 10's of millions and clean him out; all the talk of his earnings omits taxes (to his credit the only noble thing he has done is paid Irish taxes and didn't become non tax resident like plenty of others) and what he has blown.

    Any one know historic / likely payout if he found guilty?



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