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USA 2024 presidential election

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  • #2192
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,220 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828276#Comment_122828276

    Do you think the voters were so turned off by Biden's age, they voted for more someone older going in to the job than Biden was?

    You really think that that gave Trump a resounding victory?



  • #2193
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828300#Comment_122828300

    I don't think it is the precise age that turned voters off, I think it was the gaslighting that Biden's age in particular wasn't an issue, when clearly it was.

    People didn't buy the Dems BS on the issue, and by the time it was too late to hide it anymore, the damage was done.

    Obviously the gaslighting wasn't the only reason that led to the victory, there were other factors.

    But if you believe, as I do, that the Dems were capable of running a candidate capable of beating Trump, then you'd have to lay a fairly large proportion of the blame on the reasons for them not doing so.



  • #2194
    Piskin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Piskin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828250#Comment_122828250

    Record Inflation that devastated families to this day.

    Record number of illegals crossing the Open Border daily unchecked flooding working class neighborhoods

    Record crime levels due to defending the police

    Record number of small business's closing down

    Identity Politics poisoning everything

    Giving Israel 20 Billion and standing idly by

    Cost of Housing & Rents that ordinary working people cannot afford.

    74 million Americans voted accordingly…



  • #2195
    Good loser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭Good loser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828396#Comment_122828396

    They made a colossal mistake. Hopefully that will become clear before too long - the sooner the better! It will be clear as day by the time his term ends - hopefully early.



  • #2196
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,220 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828396#Comment_122828396

    This Is the ignorance I've been talking about.

    This is what would be most upsetting for me if I was Harris, Trump didn't beat me, this type of BS understanding of reality did.



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  • #2197
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,462 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122829510#Comment_122829510

    As the incumbent it’s up to Harris to communicate that counter message (I’m not sure what that is even). Clearly she failed miserably



  • #2198
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122822447#Comment_122822447

    Thank God - somebody with a brain in their head.

    Thing is about the Democrats is that you just cannot have a proper debate with them, and they do not accept their own faults.

    Their candidates are not good enough either.



  • #2199
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122829510#Comment_122829510

    No point in blaming Trump.

    Everyone needs to accept their own failures.



  • #2200
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122829510#Comment_122829510

    It's on the button though, it isn't the complete list of why they lost but its a lot of it.



  • #2201
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122809128#Comment_122809128

    The Latinos who move to the US are often the far right loons their home nations are better off without. Of course they vote for Trump.



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  • #2202
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122809544#Comment_122809544

    Hispanic isn't even a racial term. There are Hispanic people of all races. It's a cultural description.



  • #2203
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,135 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122824338#Comment_122824338

    Yup, in fact, it's more likely that many will look to make Ireland their permanent home, as Trumps end to the war means Russia getting a lot more out of things than Ukraine, so they may not have homes to go back to



  • #2204
    lukin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,399 ✭✭✭lukin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122831429#Comment_122831429

    Yeah if Trump cuts off or reduces aid to Ukraine then surely that makes it more likely that Russia will win the war. They could even annex the entire country. So there will be more Ukrainian refugees heading here. But the Trump supporters don't have the mental capability to see that viewpoint.



  • #2205
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832080#Comment_122832080

    That won't happen as the State is trying to get rid of the Ukrainians living here at the moment. They evicted a Ukrainian woman from state accom because she went home to see her sick husband. It was on RTE yesterday. No one seems to care.

    The door is firmly shut for Ukrainian refugees.

    I get the impression public is sick of hearing about Ukraine.



  • #2206
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122831232#Comment_122831232

    Broad stroke, some form Cuba would be right wing, others like from Nicaragua and Venezuela don't like socialists because they have seen the revolution and its always the rich activists screaming at the ordinary people and carting them off to the gulag, so the woke Democrats don't go down well.

    Most just see rich progressives shi77ing down on working class people for their own lofty ideals.

    It's killing the left everywhere.



  • #2207
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,462 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832080#Comment_122832080

    The Ukraine can’t continue to be propped up militarily and economically by the world. It’s just not viable to go indefinitely and this is heading for 3 years now. Ireland can’t afford it either, we just can’t do it. We have our own country to worry about and taxpayers here are sick and tired of funding foreigners to live in hotels for free and while they just about get by. It’s about time there was a bit of realism in this conversation



  • #2208
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,462 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832080#Comment_122832080

    According to the left though refugees are supposed to add immensely to a country economically and socially?… Now suddenly they are a weapon to highlight thd evils of trump?
    So which is it?



  • #2209
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,079 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832158#Comment_122832158

    Its not "The Ukraine", its Ukraine. Anything else is Russian propaganda which tries to reduce Ukraine to a region not a country.

    Its not viable for EU stability to allow Russia to resurrect the USSR and threaten EU candidate countries and member states. Ukraine is the bulwark against that. If you think we just cant do that wait until you see what it looks like then.

    We worry about our own country when we worry about Ukraine.

    Sure "taxpayers", sounds like the sort of far right rubbish we hear from those who expect everything handed to them on a plate and contribute nothing. If they are just about getting by - get up off the couch and get a job.

    A peaceful secure Ukraine either in the EU or trading freely with it will contribute far more to the EU and by extension Ireland than that cohort ever will.

    Is that real enough?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #2210
    SuperBowserWorld
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,068 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832219#Comment_122832219

    So, does this mean the EU including Ireland will have to send troops to defend Ukraine at some stage ?



  • #2211
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,079 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832241#Comment_122832241

    In a peacekeeping role perhaps.

    This was being reported as being a concept of a plan from Trump:

    • Donald Trump's tactical plan for ending the Russia-Ukraine war might see him calling on European and British soldiers to put in place a 800-mile buffer zone between Moscow and Kyiv's troops. Following this, the front line of the war at present would be frozen, his staffers noted.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/donald-trump-has-a-tactical-plan-to-end-russia-ukraine-war-bring-peace-details-european-troops-buffer-zone-101731231483835-amp.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #2212
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832101#Comment_122832101

    There may be some but more likely they're-like a lot of Trump supporters-utterly delusional about Trump and the realities of the USA. One source reported talking to an illegal immigrant who supported Trump. Asked was he not worried about Trump's promise of mass deportations, he answered that he wasn't because Trump was talking about drug dealers and criminals and crazy people while he and his friends were here to work.

    Post edited by ilkhanid on


  • #2213
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832219#Comment_122832219

    Get up off the couch and get a job - Sounds like the stuff of the far right.



  • #2214
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,079 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832532#Comment_122832532

    If the cap fits. People with jobs dont have time to be rent a mobs of the sort that pop up whinging about immigrants. The Crown Paints sort.

    In the context of this thread. Its immigrants in the US picking the crops in the fields.

    In relation to Ukraine, we had Trump and his hanger ons complaining about taxpayers dollars being spent funding Ukraine, neglecting to mention how much of that funding was actually primarily spent in US munitions factories etc

    Meanwhile Musk will go to Trump looking for vast handouts of taxpayers money to fund his dubious projects. Quid pro quo for funding Trumps campaign.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #2215
    lukin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,399 ✭✭✭lukin


    Trump is delusional; his claim that he will "make a deal" to end the war is based on his outrageously egotistical belief in himself. Zelensky will reject outright any notion of buffer zones or anything like it.

    The sad thing is the MAGA crowd believe him. They are in for the surprise of their lives.



  • #2216
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832570#Comment_122832570

    The Left deems those that pick on the unemployed as the far right. I'm just pointing out the often ridiculously overused term and how it often trips up people who use it.



  • #2217
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,462 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122832219#Comment_122832219

    You should sign up for the Ukrainian army- some people are more than happy to see young men sent off to be slaughtered but not so quick to do it themselves. Have you done it and if not why not? That’s all very nice and aspir But who dies and who funds it? The eu is a bloated bureaucratic mess that can barely keep itself together.

    There’s nothing wrong with speaking up for Irish people and taxpayers- this is our country and it’s only right we put their interests of our taxpayers first l. We have our own problems and responsibilities which aren’t trivial



  • #2218
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,462 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Presumably all those advocating the war goes on have and are in the process of signing up to the Ukrainian army or its allies themselves? If not then why not?



  • #2219
    felonious_Gru
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Trump is fantastic at campaigning , he's extremely lazy at what comes after the win , his cabinet selections so far reek of handing over government to Neo Con swamp monsters

    I always knew Trump was safely bought this time round , so was Harris though

    Trump just likes " winning", details are for other people



  • #2220
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,079 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122833518#Comment_122833518

    Number of posts saying that = zero.

    By the same prejudicial framing approach, I could turn around and claim "some people are more than happy for men, women and children to be slaughtered and raped by Russia" as long as they don't have to think about it?
    Or, why don't you go over to Russia and plead for peace there?
    As a line of argument, it doesn't have any merit or foundation does it?

    Atrocities don't just happen in war time but under occupations too.

    We saw what happened in Bucha under Russian occupation.

    Trump hasn't shown much regard for the fate of civilians in Ukraine or Afghanistan before, except as a cynical bad faith argument to criticse the Democrats for. But note how, in all the vitriol he dishes out, his tongue gets tied when it comes to criticising the war crimes of Putin.
    At one point, he was refusing to send disaster aid to US counties and territories he thought only had Democrats in it! Aid to Puerto Rico held up for no reason.

    https://people.com/donald-trump-resisted-federal-disaster-aid-democratic-states-new-report-8723056

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03/helene-trump-politics-natural-disaster-00182419

    Let's hope he is guided by more responsible voices in his administration and tries to secure a proper peace for Ukraine, nor merely the absence of 'war' but where the people of Ukraine can live in safety from further Russian atrocities, not just for tomorrow but into the future too.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #2221
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,079 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Anybody who voted for Trump because of concerns about the Democrats policy on Israel…

    Leopard eating face moment of the day.

    Here's who Trump is lining up as next Ambassador, Mike Huckabee:

    Huckabee has a track record of hardline, occasionally provocative, pro-Israel rhetoric and previously said Israel has a rightful claim to the West Bank, which he refers to by its Hebrew and biblical name of Judea and Samaria.

    ‘There’s no such thing as settlements, there’s no such thing as occupation.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/12/trump-appoints-mike-huckabee-ambassador-israel

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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