Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

Considering that asylum seekers weren't allowed to work in 2018, it's certainly a different era.

I'm pretty sure this was mentioned in several more recent news articles on RTE's website.

But yet you picked this one.

As for Putin's anti-asylum rhetoric and people parroting it… This article is about such tactics in the US, but it's been well covered that Russia is attempting the same in Europe.

In social media posts, online videos and stories on websites, these accounts misstate the impact of immigration, highlight stories about crimes committed by immigrants, and warn of dire consequences if the U.S. doesn’t crack down at its border with Mexico. Many are misleading, filled with cherry-picked data or debunked rumors.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-election-trump-immigration-disinformation-tiktok-youtube-ce518c6cd101048f896025179ef19997

Just ask yourself who is editing the segment? Do they have any agenda to favour the government, especially since FFG have promised them €750 million of our money? They don't have to be explicitly told to toe the government line on the likes of immigration, but they know which side their bread is buttered.

Yup. I think it's totally unacceptable. They obviously needed documentation to travel in the first place. Kind of hard to travel throught that many countries without at least using false documentation. Unless they can show exactly how they managed to get to this island, showing verifiable proof, then they should be immediately rejected. Even an admittance that they used fraudulent documentation to enter the country illegally would be an indication that their asylum seeking was in even the smallest way valid if they didn't willingly destroy it to avoid detection.

So anyway, you think it is acceptable that people can roam freely in this country while claiming asylum despite us not knowing who they are?

I'm not saying that people are Putin-bot's. I think the people spreading these messages are actual Irish people.

I think what's clear though, is that whatever their motivations, some people are willing to spread a message which is very favorable to Putin, regardless of how often that message is shown to be lies and misinformation.

Same people will then typically claim to have the countries interests at heart, despite this country's stated opposition to Putin's agenda, and it's support for Ukraine. How is that possible???

Plenty of your fellow anti-immigration posters are quite happy to spread lies or misinformation about the degree to which IPAs are genuine, how many of them work, people coming here for benefits, committing crimes, passing through safe countries etc, etc.

If you can't see how much that aligns to Putin's propaganda efforts I can only assume you're not aware of how active Russia has been with spreading these kind of lies and supporting anti-immigration parties.

If you were aware of this and concerned about supporting Putin (and undermining our national and EU efforts) I don't think you'd be pushing the 'unvetted' nonsense again (lot's of people are unvetted), or using terms like 'bogus' asylum seekers without any kind of evidence of how many are not genuine, or offering a better alternative to deal with those who might not be genuine.

I don't think you can complain about being called anti-immigration when you use terms like 'bogus' asylum seeker and complain about 'unvetted' migrants.

If I were to wear a Man Utd jersey it would be a bit silly to complain about people assuming I'm a fan, wouldn't you think?

I don't get the comparison with McGregor thread, he's the only person that thread is focused on and he's on trial. There's no evidence to show that IPAs have any greater proclivity towards crime in Ireland, so what's the relevance in cherry-picking these crime reports?

Alternatively you might show us a realistic proposal to reject people coming here who have committed crime, be they from the EU, international students, work permits holders, family members etc? If you hand such a proposal there might be grounds for posting these crime stories, but I've yet to see you, or any other anti-immigration poster on the thread, suggest anything even half-way viable.

I can and I will.

You are misrepresenting exactly what I said.

I use bogus asylum seekers because there is a difference between a valid asylum seeker and a bogus one. The only ones I have issues with are bogus asylum seekers. So I make it VERY clear that the ones I have issues with are the bogus ones. But even that isn't enought for you. That must mean I hate immigrants because I said that there are some bogus asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. By that rationale, you must think there are none.

I complain about people arriving in the country undocumented because I want the country to be safe as possible, and those unable to prove their identity because they have destroyed their documentation means that we have no way of verifying their identity. A rather valid concern.

Highlighting incidents concerning immigrants or asylum seekers commiting serious crime is important, becase it stops people believing the likes of you that "there's nothing to see here". Even one Asylum Seeker/Illegal Immigrant/Legal immigrant commiting a serious crime is one too many.

Obviously they will be highlighted in a thread like this. So to call it cherry picking is rather silly. It's directly related to the topic.

A zero tolerance approach to criminality or to people arriving without documentation would be a start.

I haven't seen you post anything remotely helpful either. You have just handwaved away legitimate concerns, mentioned Putin over and over again and spread your own lies and misinformation by calling people anti-immigration when that simply isn't true.

I'm done with being misrepresented by you. I'll leave it to others to explain exactly why you are wrong.

The fact that even the government acknowledge that the majority aren't fleeing anything makes it even more hilarious that we still have people claiming this with a straight face. Magical passports that disappear mid flight. Next to no women or children either in any of the encampments that were along the canal/mount street (or indeed in the buses/taxis dropping them off at all the places they are being shoe horned into). They are such war zones that the blokes don't think twice about leaving them at home.

Isn't it odd that the majority of Ukranians that arrived were actually women/children and old people. Yet the current 'asylum seekers' are predominantly men. No, that's not odd at all. Fleeing persecution etc. From the same people that brought you 'The Swedish love the benefits of all the refugees and to say otherwise is fascist'.

The simple fact of the matter is we are currently topped out at about 40k houses built a year, which is nowhere near enough for the people living here/arriving to work through legitimate means. But sure lets keep ploughing ahead with circa 20k a year mostly not legitimate asylum seekers arriving, lots of whom will never have anywhere to live based on current trajectory, sure our pensions need paying!

You think it's unacceptable that people fleeing don't have documents? How can you not understand why they may not have documents? You would deny some genuine people asylum because you believe there are chancers out there.

Why is it only the asylum seekers you have an issue with? You do know thousands of people every day enter this country and we don't know anything about them.

I wouldn't believe so. Lots of people don't have a birth certificate in their possession. I didn't have one until I got my first passport. I had uncles in the UK who didn't get their Irish birth certs until they were in their 60s. And that's our modern countries. Why do you think people in say Afghanistan would have possession of birth certs? Most of the older people in Afghanistan don't even know their dates of birth, just the year they were born!

I have never suggested that everyone is genuine. There are always chancers that take the opportunities where they arise.

I don't believe in tarring everyone with the one brush and as I said many times, claiming asylum is an individual personal applications, it can be done for very many reasons. The only way to know is to investigate. The system needs to be uch quicker, absolutely, but without the application system, how do we find out who is genuine and who is not?

I merely believe in affording all people their fundamental human rights.

I think it is unacceptable that someone enters the country without documentation to prove who they are and are allowed to roam freely. I would deny genuine people entry until it has been established who they are, where they came from, how they got here and why they had zero paperwork. I don't think without the previous information, a person should be allowed entry into the country.

Thousands of people enter every day. Not everyone destroys the documentation they travelled with though.

Only earlier you claimed that asylum seekers MUST provide documentation.

You have pivoted to they SHOULD provide documentation

Now they can go through the whole process WITHOUT documentation and a decision can be made without it.

This whole process needs shoring up.

Don't travel to this island without documentation proving who you are or else your claim is immediately rejected.

We shouldn't be allowing anyone in illegally or claiming asylum without valid supporting documents.

They were scammers in 2008, can you imagine with the numbers arriving now, how many there are, I doubt a decrease or tougher restrictions on entry

Also is "Operation Gull" still active or was just a once off? The Garda National Immigration Bureau (GNIB) need to be tougher

New asylum scam exposed | Irish Independent

And yes I know the article is from 2008 but it does seems appropriate for this thread and in these times of unprecedented numbers coming in

Aontu on their take on immigration for the election, but can Peadar run enough candidates

https://x.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1856336774684905530

And what about the people who do not have and.cannot get documents?