Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

I'm afraid it's you who is cherry picking in that case. This thread deals with foreign people so I would expect foreign names .

A very quick look across boards and you will find the "ridiculous sentence handed out" thread and that is primarily Irish nationals in court and also reported in the media and RTE. Do you feel the same about that thread or are you ok with that one ?

Another look and you will find the numerous "roofers" thread. That deals with the more mobile breathern among us who are a mix of English and Irish. Is that one ok also ?

You can't have it every way !

Putin will be happy. It looks like he's getting plenty of value for his propaganda rupee.

It would be one thing to post actual facts or considered arguments about immigration…

Posting lies, misinformation and cherry-picked crime reports is another thing altogether. Given our nations support for Ukraine and the EU it's arguably treasonous.

Aye Putin paying us in bitcoin!

Fact is rest of Europe has had enough enrichment by refugees n electing right wing governments.

If you want facts Google employment stats for Africans here or the black axe gang.

Treasonous - maybe Helen can add that to her hate speech bill, certainly worth asking!

After watching the BBC doc it took 15 years of high immigration for Nigel Farage and Brexit to happen. Don't think something like that cant happen here in Ireland unless we get a handle on the numbers coming in.

You may read what you posted. Section 2.6 is the relevant section. Data from 2018 shows low uptake. The number of IPA applicants rose significantly in 2022 (graph in that section). It's night and day difference in numbers Vs 2022 and previous. Data for 2022 (most recent) had to be pooled to get a larger sample size and then then it states the sample size of data is too small which is strnage given the numbers. The demographic profile of each African nation was too small so they pooled it. It also oddly adds professional people into the mix but I'm unsure from the paper without further reading if those are IPA or visa applicants. It's called muddying the waters.

That Putin guy how dare he hold a gun to our Governments heads forcing all these illegals in, how dare he

I see the department are pushing on with the 2nd Ipas camp in Athlone despite the local council saying it doesn't meet the planning exemption guidelines.

Seems a risky strategy from the government parties to be pushing it through during the run up to the election. If the pou cause trouble the optics will back fire, particularly O'Gorman and Harris.

If you think immigration is all people care about you're probably spending all your time on looney online rabbit holes.

You might want to take you're concerns about methodology up with the ESRI.

Their approach seems quite robust to me. Sample sizes were not large enough for analysis on the basis of individual African countries, but collectively they were able to conclude that:

While previous research found a higher unemployment rate among African nationals, the reasons for which were believed to be in part due to the length of time spent in the international protection system without access to work, new data indicate that the gap has now significantly decreased, with African nationals and Irish nationals on par for unemployment levels.

Than certainly puts paid to the earlier posters claim that 'If you want facts Google employment stats for Africans here', as yet more anti-immigration lies and pro-Putin propaganda.

I don't know why'd you'd think the ESRI are trying to muddy the waters, unless you're another poster who think they've been 'infiltrated'?

I'm afraid I'd want to be on NGO dough instead of Putin's poxy roubles to spend the day sifting through that link you posted.

As a champion of railing against fake stats n misinformation can you please get rte to remove the following from it's website. 45% in employment - ouch ( thankfully it doesn't break down that 45% into full-time, part time etc- small mercies etc!)

It has found that 16% of Africans living in Ireland are out of work, compared with 4% of people from western European countries.

The employment rate for Africans in Ireland was also very low at 45%, while 66% of Irish nationals were working

Wanting stricter border controls, especially if your arguments are based on fact, is one thing.

Pushing lies and misinformation about 'bogus' asylum seekers, benefit tourism, cherry-picked crime reports etc is another entirely.

How people can do the later, and claim they have the nations interests at heart, is beyond me.

The Trump administration has said it is going to round up circa 500,000 immigrants next year in the US who have committed crimes and deport them.

If our government wanted to provide reassurance to the public I don't think they'd have any pushback from the majority if similar was implemented here.

I think any party that put forward such a proposal would skyrocket up the polls.

Yes, you'd have a minority giving out as usual but that's the same everywhere.

It hasn't 'changed' applicants are expected to produce documents as part of their application.

It has been pointed out here many times, why someone may not have documents. That cannot stand against them. In reality, applicants produce documents in order to get their application approved quicker. Obviously.

2018 - a lifetime ago, eh?!

I don't know what genius in the refugee industry came up with linking issues with refugees to Putin's propaganda but it's laughable.

If it's all that's left to try defend the indefensible it'll have to do I suppose! Just no one's buying it.