Israel are going to start WWIII

Have we still people defending Football Hooligans causing trouble and getting a kicking?

At least with the Brits over the years when they caused trouble around Europe and got a kicking from the locals and police , they took their beating and went home

We didn't have the Prime Minister looking to get flights out to rescue them

If you read what I posted, that's not what I'm doing at all.

However, you appear to have made your own mind up about "what I'm doing" so please do crack on with the dogged monologue. Whatever I debate with you appears to be superfluous.

I'm glad that you posted this link, because this report is at variance with your original claim :

Similarly, the reason for the fracas was also muddled, with some reports claiming that the injured man was wearing a Palestinian headscarf, apparently drawing the negative attention of Israeli fans. Other reports claimed the former threw a plastic water bottle or taunted the Israelis.

So the story about the "bottle" is not certain. My guess is that the claim about the bottle was made up in order to obfuscate the fact that this was an unprovoked attack on someone wearing a keffiyeh.

Very similar to what happened in Amsterdam - where there are videos of Israelis ripping down a Palestinian flag, but we are being gaslighted that No, no, this was an attack on De Jooz.

Edit: I see SafeSurfer got there first, and also picked up on the bottle story being - at best - dubious.

Did you ever occur to you that someone ripping down a flag might - and brace yourself - have happened independently of there also being an organised mob and both things can be both true and unacceptable.

Because that's what police are saying.

No-one is claiming that no flag was ripped down. No-one is claiming that some fans weren't behaving disgraceful. Not even the police.

What police are saying is that some fans behaved badly, but there was also an arranged and organised mob roaming around looking for Israeli supporters to attack.

The mental gymnastics that some fans behaving badly is complete justification for a pre-organised mob beating any supporters they can get their hands on is absolutely staggering.

Also not surprised that literally no-one can answer my simple question as to why Dutch police and authorities would lie or misrepresent the facts or who is dictating them to do so.

The closest we got was utter whataboutery asking me something about Israeli nuclear capability.

I might as well ask you as well. Are Dutch police and authorities lying about what happened in Amsterdam? If so, why? Who is controlling this narrative?

I've already asked this and you did not respond.

How has mainstream media been "found out"?

What are they lying about?

Where is the proof they are lying? And by proof I don't mean videos on Twitter of someone tearing down a flag or attacking a taxi or whatever, because everyone already knows that happened, "mainstream media" has reported on that and other poor behavior by some Israeli fans.

If Dutch police and authorities are lying, which is what is informing the media, by saying that some fans behaved badly but independently of that there was an organised mob looking for Israeli supporters.

Why are they lying? Who is dictating to Dutch Government, local authorities and police to lie?

The actual incidents in Amsterdam were run of the mill football violence type stuff. There are quite a few such incidents in Europe in a given year (there was a lot of aggro at Euro 2024 this summer for example and many clashes and arrests across different games). What marked this one out is the way the media tried to spin it as "anti-Semitic violence" and "a pogrom", when it is clear it was bog standard football hooliganism, the type we have seen in European cities hundreds of times before.

The question then has to be asked why it is spun in this fashion by the western media (clearly bogus and very misleading reporting of what actually happened) and why the likes of the Dutch King and Ursula von der Leyen chose to get involved - this aspect was most bizarre.

Posting what is essentially the same post in response to different people looks odd, but I'll bite.

Please do not be disingenuous. NO investigation has been carried out. Doubtless one is underway and will some day be concluded, but that is a separate matter. So the facts have not yet been established, but some are claiming that they know what happened - Halsema, Schoof, the king of holland, and various others. Their words are being reported in the media as the truth. This is premature, and we know this well.

You have made a number of mentions of "an organised mob". I suggest that you wait for the outcome of the investigation before jumping to this type of conclusions.

You ask several questions in your posts, and although I'm sure you would like to know the answers to them (as would we all) asking questions in this way - which at this stage of the investigation do not have an easy, ready-made answer - is also a well-known gaslighting technique, a sort of "look over there", and is probably best avoided in a discussion forum like this.

So in the absense of a full, thorough investigation we have to assume what the Dutch police are saying holds zero value and cannot be assumed to be in any way true or factual.

Do you subscribe to and apply this logic to all matters? That something must be given zero weight to anything until a full and thorough investigation is completed?

Or is it very carefully selected and worded to apply to special cases like what happened in Amsterdam?

See what you do there, and what a lot of your buddies do, is insert weasel words into your statements. How about instead of saying "is hardly justification for a pre-organised mob roaming around looking for Israeli supporters to attack" then why not say that "hanging a Palestinian flag from a window is hardly justification for hundreds of military trained ex IDF soldiers participating in a hooligan mob, accompanied by Mossad operatives, roaming the streets in a pre-planned operation armed with iron bars and planks to kill or maim any dutch citizen, or any muslim person, they can find, and attacking police and property at a whim" - You see, it is quite easy to perform the same "tactic" back towards you.

https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1855372540098777285

Who are my buddies, can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean you'll have to spell it out for me.

Do you mean people that think there actually might be a grain of truth in what Dutch police are saying?

My "weasal words" are what Dutch police are saying.

I've never once said flag ripping, vile chanting, or whatever else other scumbag behavior happened, didn't happen. Even the police say it happened. Literally nobody on this entire thread claimed anything otherwise.

But Dutch police also say the organised mob was independent of that, and was blanket targetting Israelis.

I am not sure why it's so insanely difficult for some people to entertain the idea that Dutch police aren't lying and that there was an organised mob.

It doesn't mean you're suddenly pulling on an Israeli baseball cap and morphing into the boogeymen you refered to as "my buddies".

Lastly, if you have to resort to personal attacks and petty insults to make whatever point you think you're making, you're not making any point at all.

If there was any justice the israeli club would cop a ban on their supporters being allowed to away matches in Europe for the rest of this year. But I doubt this will happen.

Hasbara no longer works in an age where everyone has a video camera on their phone.

Are you denying any babies or infants were murdered by Hamas on October 7th?

For example, one could just as easily pull out the fact that a number of zionist terrorist organisations were on the side of the Germans in WWII. Even after news started coming out about the camps, they still kept up their support, albeit they got quieter about it towards the end of the war.

Right, so this is a highly inflammatory allegation. You best clarify what you exactly mean here and give some evidence to your claim from independent sources.

Because the bits about Zionists 'helping' Hitler are the same storylines that many Holocaust Deniers have peddled as well. That is the side you appear to be supporting at present.

I see Sky News have taken down an original accurate video report of the Amsterdam football hooligans and re-edited it to hide the fact that the mob videoed were actually Maccabi Tel Aviv fans. They were either pressurised or their editor is a zionist.