Israel are going to start WWIII

What this hinges on is the organised hunting of Israeli supporters that Dutch police and authorities have condemned and believe was an organised action.

So currently, Dutch Authorities have a "belief" that the action was organised?

If that's the case, then let due process progress. If that "belief" is crystallised into proof and evidence, then let justice take its course. Until then, there is only a "belief" - and "beliefs", though strongly held, can be wrong.

For example, I strongly believe that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. People are entitled to hold a different belief of course. And both sides can be debated.

But it will be the ICJ that make a final ruling on the case of Genocide before it on the basis of evidence it receives. On making that ruling, one half of the folks holding a belief on Israeli genocide, will be wrong.

So on one hand, we cannot believe the authorities, who for obvious reasons would have the most relevant evidence and information on what happened to form an opinion.

Fair enough.

But we can come onto Boards.ie and make claims that a) dutch authorities are involved in a cover up b) Israeli fans got what they deserved c) Israeli fans started it d) the global media cannot be trusted and is shilling for Israel in this bizarrely specific case e) some supporters behaving badly justifies mass beatings of all Israeli supporters

I am not saying you have said, or believe those things, but calling a spade a spade the entire thread the last couple of dozen pages is full of those precise sentiments.

I haven't used the words antisemitic in his case because I don't think being anti-Israeli, anti-Israeli state or anti-IDF or whatever else is antisemitic.

But this thread is profoundly anti-Israeli, which is generally fine as people are entitled to hold that opinion, and many compelling arguments can surely be made, but my personal problem is that it has crossed the line of rationality into absurd irrationality.

So much so that we're now hearing that the global media are in bed with Israel and deliberately peddling lies, decrepit Iran has a world class military that would destroy Israel, the IDF is a crumbling third rate army, Iron Dome doesn't work and is a sham, and all the rest.

"Israel is a rogue terrorist state" = valid opinion.

"Dutch authorities are lying at the behest of others and the world media are involved in it" = completely conspiracy theory based on nothing but a desperate need to always make Israel the bad guy in every single unique situation.

Again I am not saying you specifically are saying these things, but that is the sentiment expressed by many on this thread.

Few folks here would deny the holocaust happened I'd reckon, except for maybe the current one in gaza.

Me thinking that Dutch authorities are far more reliable on what happened on their own ground than the literal president of the country, involved in and leading a horrific offensive war in the Middle East, making claims about operations in said war is…..somehow wrong?

Why do you not think the Israeli authorities are not as reliable about what happened on their territory as the Dutch are about what happened on theirs?
Is this not antiemetic?

Calling events of the last few days makes a mockery of historical attacks on Jewish people and pisses on their memory.

Are you willing to listen to actual Dutch Jews take on this, or are you just speaking for them, even if you have zero lived experience of being a Jew.

Here is what the CJO in Holland says about what happened. Do you agree or disagree with them? If so why?

https://www.cjo.nl/nieuws/cjo-amsterdam-moet-zich-schamen-voor-pogrom-op-avond-van-kristallnachtherdenking/

What makes you more qualified to speak of the Jewish experience?

Totally agree with all the above.

Yes, because its soft holocaust denial. Its the denial of the fact that Jews can be a victim, something you yourself are engaging in.

Why is that?

Why are you constantly lying about the facts as we know them?

Why dont you believe the Dutch authorities?

Why dont you believe the Dutch Police?

Why dont you believe the Dutch CJO?

The issue I have is you quote the above people and present it as "evidence" and "fact".

In posts you have submitted, people have said "belief", "allegedly" etc. This is not "fact" nor "evidence". As I've said, you appear to have trouble with the definitions of the words.

Your final question is utterly irrelevant. But speaks volumes.

I certainly don’t believe you and your justification for Maccabi fans nearly killing a man in Athens.
Hypocrisy.

You really need to think about your life choices if you want to argue about how those babies died, the exact methods and the exact numbers, and the exact circumstances.

It will say a lot about you if you really want to have that argument.

This is the same type of soft Holocaust denial that is mentioned in the video.

"Oh Jews did die in the Holocaust, but it wasn't 6 million and they weren't gassed…etc.."

Why dont you read an actual newspaper?

Oh I have.

From the very same article you posted.

Care to comment on the above?

Do you accept the Dutch authorities' version of what happened?