Israel are going to start WWIII

Welcome to the world of football hooliganism, you sound quite naive on the implications of mobs travelling to foreign cities following football and attacking the locals. The trouble spirals and has done for decades. None of it is justified but that is what happens when football hooligans attack people. Only on this occasion, the hysteria is from the zionists shouting antisemitism and pogroms, those accusations, in this instance, actually belittles antisemitism and pogroms and is just another example of confetti.

Edit to say: normally it is the local police who crack heads and they very much do not care if you were part of the mob attacking people. If you are there wearing the colours you are deemed fair game. Have a look at the hundreds if not thousands of previous instances of football hooliganism over the decades. A lot of them will be far more serious than what happened in Amsterdam the other night

In a world where an attack killing 1200 soldiers and civilians justifies attacking 5 countries and displacing millions, starving hundreds of thousands and killing 45,000 plus people, 70% of whom are children, anything is possible.

In a world where an attack killing 1200 soldiers and civilians 

I thought it was mostly civilians. I'm pretty sure you've seen some videos. As much as I do support Israel in that region, I certainly do not agree with bashing civilians and kids. I've said on other thread related to this conflict. None of us knows the mindset of people on both sides. We tend to judge it, or oppose it from our comfy homes. Without actually living there. I feel sorry for Palestinians and for Israelis equally I would say. It's a big mess. Those two nations won't live in two state state scenario peacefully imo. I don't know how to resolve this. If you would just accidentally put Ireland into same place where Israel is, you would probably have the same outcome. Or you would sit down and have a cup of tea to sort it out? I doubt it..

Depends what you call media accounts I suppose. Out-and-out propagandists like Owen Jones in the Guardian, no doubt. People who care about the truth though? Not so much.

It's been reported by the fan forums of both teams that there was NO violence at the game, and that in fact the Ajax team is one that has friendly relations with Maccabi Tel Aviv because, like Tottenham Hotspur, whose fans call themselves the Yids, it is a team with Jewish links, to the extent that Ajax fans have also been the victims of antisemitic abuse from other Dutch teams, with Nazi salutes and the chant of "Hamas, Halas, Jews to the gas" being shouted at Ajax fans.

Ajax’s connection to Israel and the Jewish people dates back to the early 1900s. Their former ground, the De Meer Stadion, was situated close to Amsterdam-Ood, a district containing a prominent part of Amsterdam’s Jewish community. 

Jewish Ajax fans would make the short trip to the De Meer Stadion, and in retaliation to anti-semitic chants and insults hurled by away fans from neighbouring clubs at their section, would start to bring in flags with the Star of David into the stadium with them. They were joined by other Ajax fans and it slowly started to integrate into the identity of the club. 

Over the years, it started to become known as the ‘Superjoden’ movement, to which Ajax gained the nickname of ‘de Joden’. Tunes in Hebrew, such as ‘Hava Nagila’ would echo around the stadium, even by fans who did not practise Judaism, nor could understand the chant. The song has become one of Ajax’s anthems, with players, fans and staff all reciting the lyrics when celebrating various accolades achieved over the years. 

Here's their team logo: Superjoden means "Superjew"

Ajax said in a statement: "After a sporting football match with a good atmosphere in our stadium - for which we thank all parties involved for the good cooperation - we were horrified to learn what happened in the centre of Amsterdam last night. We strongly condemn this violence."

So here's a thought: maybe the Dutch authorities know all this, and this is why they were so clear about calling it anti-semitic?

But, you know - posters who insist on portraying this as mere football hooliganism, and what's more, a fight that they claim was begun by the Maccabi fans against Ajax fans… yeah. Totally logical, evidence-based, and not a bit anti-semitic at all.

You're gas. Video evidence of them kicking off attacking flags and cars on the street. Video of them moving through the streets, protected by police as they chant and sneer about kids murdered by zionists in Gaza. Similar evidence showing them waving their flags and cheering in the stadium during a minutes silence for Spanish victims. Statements by police that the Israeli hooligans were doing the above. Yet you keep looking and looking til you find something that refers to some "fans" posting on a forum that there was no trouble. So you'll cling to that and continue the repeating with the hope that if you repeat it enough, then it will become the "truth".

For all we know, the people who were tasked to post hasbara on that forum might be also tasked with posting on here.

What does your first sentence mean in real terms? Do you want to keep international sport open to every country in the world irrespective of what that country does?

My post highlights the hypocrisy of FIFA & UEFA in banning Russian clubs but allowing Israeli clubs in international football competitions. I believe FIFA & UEFA got it right with Russia (and FIFA previous ban on South Africa) and they should apply the same rules and criteria to Israel.

We've seen hundreds of such football violence type incidents in Europe over the last 10 or 20 years, often following a similar pattern where rival hooligans pre-arranged the violence in advance on social media or through messaging apps - (incidentally, the Dublin riots in November last year were organised in a similar fashion ; arguably just a night of thuggish behaviour and yob like criminality from assorted good-for-nothings, rather than a 'far right' protest).

It's unhelpful in the extreme that these incidents in Amsterdam are being referred to as "anti-Semitic violence" and "a pogrom" by politicians and the mainstream media. These prominent individuals should be much more guarded in their use of language (they could easily be accused of trying to whip up hatred against Muslim people with such loose talk and accusations).

And they are driven to political violence because….?

Well I think Russian's gangs are traveling in EU for decades by now, sport's or non sports related. And whatever other gangs are. Boo hoo, I don't really give a damn about UEFA, i watch basketball and ice hockey matches sometimes. Don't burn the flags and certainly don't beat randomers for wearing some colors, or even worse I don't hunt Jews around. Or saying it's any of good to beat anyone on the street.

Edit: Just saying since I can see where this thread is heading..

I think I'll happily ignore your outcomes, a bit pushy there I think. Sometimes it's good to take a deep breath and read in peace, before you start advising someone else.

Would you support the re integration of Russian national and club teams in international sport?

I have no idea what you are on about to be honest.

Were you not aware that restrictions were put on many Russian athletes and teams?

Or is it the assertion that we should be consistent that you disagree with?

You are popping up all over the thread with your little 'nuggets' and then when someone questions you, your retort is 'why should I bother', 'I know where this is heading', ridiculous questions', 'I'll happily ignore' etc

From reading your responses (which admittedly is not very clear) you do not want politics / humanitarianism / international law to interfere with sport but you are happy for it to interfere when it comes to Russia and not happy for it to interfere when it comes to Israel or South Africa

These was probably missed from the media yesterday considering they were pre-occupied with 'far more serious issues'. The strategy here is clear to see as the Israelis destroy civilian infrastructure in Gaza and deny aid for the starving population

Jesus...