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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Even if this isn't the watershed moment of an aging team, that moment is going to come very very shortly. I really can't understand why the coaching staff seem to be completely unaware of that fact.

    This autumn series should have been used as a chance to experiment and test young guys out. Not give the likes of POM and Healy a couple of more caps. A



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,075 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    that wasn’t his third start.

    He has started the last two 6n games against Italy, Furlong has not even been on the bench.

    That’s an impressive amount of errors in such a short post. Fair play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,075 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    autumn series should have been used

    There are three more games yet to come. It’s a bit early to be be talking in the past tense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭mun1


    this team had already peaked even when sexton was around , about March 2023 would be right.

    Bealham effectively playing the 80 cost us , but wasn’t a selection issue as TOT got a bad knock. This had a big impact on our plans for the last 20 mins.

    Our back row was very subdued , i think partly down to our front 5 being ineffective at the breakdown (13 pens conceded)

    Our back play was on the back foot all night and were generally handled comfortably by the AB’s

    JGP saved our bacon on more than one occasion with some last ditch try/2 v 1 tackles .

    What’s with the embarrassing Ben Earl/WWE impressions from McCarthy/Lowe, etc ?

    Why Murray/POM/Healy on the bench ? Give Casey/Prendergast(the other one) etc a chance .

    Frawley had a bit of a more and made Crowley look half decent , even though he was very subdued , like the rest of the team.

    Too many quiet players the team, no one with a bit of a bite



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I was glad to see the mental issues get a mention on the analysis last night. It's time this was faced up to. It cost us in the world cup quarter final and it showed it's head again against New Zealand. When our players get too hyped up and the occasion gets to them, they freeze. Playing nervous makes you play conservatively. No freedom, you're less likely to expect a positive outcome from a teammate so you are playing to a negative outcome. I.e you don't run to receive an offload from a teammate as you think you'll have to protect him from a turnover instead. Mental frailty is our biggest issue and it's a really tough one to overcome.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,285 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Agree on the handling errors and for the most part we looked a bit static in attack but I think they may have been down to the fact we couldn't get on Berry's right side at all during the game at the breakdown. We managed to just about stay on his good side for about 10/15 minutes but after that we got nothing from the breakdown.

    There were two great attacking opportunities that were killed by NZ in their 22, the first was the clear hands on the deck when we were almost under their posts in the first half and the other was Savea having an aul potter into the ruck from the side and was allowed jackal the ball. Both were as blatant as they come yet we got pinged far easier when trying to compete.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Ireland have played like three games since then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    I admit I know virtually nothing about rugby but as an armchair supporter watching the game, I thought James Lowe's reaction to kicking the ball a long distance into touch was bizarre. It looked disrespectful to his team and the game itself. The manager should immediately deal with that type of nonsense in my humble and probably ill-informed opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    It was probably the best play in the match.

    He turned a defensive situation into an attacking line-out inside their 22.

    It was worth celebrating.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    No it wasn't! What was the score at the time? Even Horgan, Kearney and Williams called it out in the studio.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭Seadin


    You are correct. We are down 10 points with 8 mins left on the clock and that ejet Lowe is celebrating like he got a crucial kick away in a rugby world cup quarter final that was going to create history for Ireland. He needs to be dropped, overrated as a player imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Dont Be at It


    Bang on the money. Ireland games aren't for rugby fans any more - they're for corporate event junkies. The atmosphere at home games has been atrocious for years now. It's a big p1ss up for the corporates and people connected to them.

    The only people I know getting tickets these days are getting them as gifts off business partners /clients etc. The last game I was at (a few years ago now) involved getting up and down off my seat about 20 times a half to let people out to the bar-no interest in watching the game. Rant over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Andy Farrell has been brilliant for Ireland so I don’t want to criticise, but some selections and hanging onto players has been odd. Henderson, POM, Murray, Healy all need to shake hands and be told that’s it for them for Ireland.
    The one caveat being POM brings leadership and a bit of a f**k you attitude that seems to be lacking within this Ireland squad, but offers very little outside of this anymore.
    How Henderson is in any squad any more is baffling. A walking penalty machine who is injured 90% of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    What a bizarre game/performance. I posted that there was a strange lack of energy prior to the game and I thought the atmosphere was the same inside the stadium. Felt like the players were trying to force it at times to get to that emotional pitch.

    I have a few concerns about some players since the season began. Beirne to me looks like a tired man. I'm not sure he's mobile enough anymore to play 6. I'm not for a second suggesting he needs to be dropped but there is something askew with him I think. The drop off at tighthead is alarming behind Furlong

    That was a night to forget for both Crowley and Frawley. It's not often we hook a flyhalf before 60 mins.

    That's about as bad as we have been on attacking breakdowns as I can remember. Could not secure our own ball at all. So messy

    I'd expect a reaction next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,582 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Well that was dreadful. It was an Ireland team I didn't recognise. Totally unacceptable performance. Poor in nearly all facets of the game. Surprisingly, the Scrum being the exception. As for the bench?

    Maybe, just maybe, this is a blessing. A kick up the arse to all concerned. I'd hope Farrell takes the bull by the horns and makes significant changes. Use all of these other games for squad rotation.

    I do not want to hear about giving players another game and a chance of redemption after that 'performance' last night.

    I'd have Prendergast at 10 for Argentina. Start to build a team around him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,563 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I'd have Prendergast at 10 for Argentina. Start to build a team around him.

    The last time I heard something like this, was Tony Ward saying Ireland should build a team around Madigan. That ended well.

    Very few teams that are bossed at the breakdown will win matches, a lot of our ills last night stemmed from losing the breakdown.

    What happens after the Argentina game if Prendergast has a stinker like Frawley had after coming on for a mediocre performance from Crowley.

    Who do we drop from the pack who couldn't win a ruck, couldn't get fast ball, couldn't slow down the ABs ball. That was the real issue last night. Changing the outhalf won't change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    For Argentina I would stick with largely the same team give or take a few. Give the players a chance to redeem themselves…those who dont should be dropped for future test matches.

    During the future test matches players like POM, Murray, Healy need to be phased out, it would have been best if they were moved on during the summer tbh, let them go out on a high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭50HX


    Vdf,jgp & HK were best for us last night.

    We got hammered at the breakdown & odd decisions at times not to compete on lineout.

    I hope its just me but from where I was sitting Mack H looked v soft in the tackle, as if he was conscious/protective of his shoulder injury....I hope he looses that quickly.

    A performance like that happens sometimes, a large cohort of people want to rip up everything after 1 result ( didn't hear/read much discontent post SA 2nd test in July)

    I think Farrell gives the same 15 another shot, possibly a few bench changes outside of enforced ones..TO'T I assume



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,780 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Cian Healy is being kept around to break the all time record....free caps being handed out...they obviously have no faith im him by flogging Porter for 70 odd mins in every test…......BOD never got a free cap.....

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,582 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Frawley had 10 nightmarish minutes last night. Like you said behind a pack that had lost the breakdown. Very different to starting Prendergast. Who will ask a lot of different questions to a defence. If he has a stinker we persist.

    As for who else we change? Perhaps start with players who don't understand or learn what the referee wants. Who can't catch a ball. Who can't pass a ball. It's a start.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    The harsh reality player ratings:

    Hugo Keenan 7

    Mack Hansen 5

    Garry Ringrose 6

    Bundee Aki 6

    James Lowe 6

    Jack Crowley 4

    Jamison Gibson-Park 7

    Andrew Porter 6

    Rónan Kelleher 5

    Finlay Bealham 6

    Joe McCarthy 6

    James Ryan 5

    Tadhg Beirne 6

    Josh van der Flier 7

    Caelan Doris 5

    Replacements:

    Rob Herring 4

    Iain Henderson 3

    Ciarán Frawley 2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,563 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Frawley was on a lot earlier that the 70th minute, nothing went right for him

    Very different to starting Prendergast. Who will ask a lot of different questions to a defence. If he has a stinker we persist.

    So, you want to persist with a player (your player) even if he has a stinker but drop the two who were poor last night.

    Can we all name a player we want to keep in the team despite how they play.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Building a team around 1 player is a ridiculous idea. What if that player gets injured? What if that player loses form? We seen with Johnny Sexton last year. He stayed on for 80 minutes against New Zealand when his legs were gone long before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,582 ✭✭✭OldRio


    We will have to define 'stinker' and 'poor' before this discussion can go forward.

    I have a life to live and I know you will defend Crowley at all costs. Therefore we will never agree. I've said my piece. Like it or lump it.

    Saturday morning and I've work to do outside. I bid you good day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,563 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Where have I defended Crowley, I said he had a mediocre game last night, I've seen two posters rate his game as 7/10 and 5/10 so that surely puts him somewhere outside the stinker performance. I certainly wouldn't try pushing for Ireland to persist with him even if he had a stinker, something you have done for YOUR Player.

    And then you (falsely) accuse me of defending Crowley, lol

    Tis gas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,563 ✭✭✭✭phog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Experimenting against much weaker teams seriously diminishes the benefits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Poor game from Crowley.
    Lowe was trying to get the crowd going with his celebration and lift the team, no idea why some of the old heads in here have a problem with it. It’s the least of our concerns. The team absolutely needs his personality.



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