USA 2024 presidential election

The election proved democracy works. You need only look at how the transfer of power goes now when Trump wins versus when he lost 4 years ago. Reps had all sorts of quite insidious methods to challange this election if it didn’t go their way. I’m surprised this seems to be brushed under the carpet by people laughing at the “paranoid” Dems.

Do you think in 4 years time, if, for example , one of Trumps spawns goes for election, that there will be a peaceful handover if they lose ?

Id take it that they are saying “democracy is dead” because there is strong reason to believe that Trump will now spend the next 2-4 years deconstructing the safeguards in place that protected its citizens from the whims of its president.

I think Trump will

- end war in Ukraine by forcing them to take whatever deal Putin wants
-let Israel do what they want to Palestinians
- deport a bunch of people and we will hear some horror stories because he wants the optics of strongman
-he will use his position of power , practically nothing stopping him, to manipulate the laws/rules to solidify his position
- if he’s still interested in next election, he won’t go peacefully if he loses

-make at least one massive call that destabilises global economy and security

-he will vehemently go after any dissenting voice against him, he’s a history of transactional relationships, doesn’t care you’ve done once you grovel back or hide in your hole when he’s won

-enrich himself and anybody on team Trump

American politics needed a dramatic Change and I think Trump will do that , but it’s hard to see how anybody could honestly think he will do what’s in the greater good interest. Like, if you could choose a person with a blank canvas to create a better world, he would look a disaster on paper. Nobody even argues he’s not a rampant narcissist, how can anybody think that’s just the sort of person who will bring change that’s best for all ?

Dems will be just as culpable for whatever damage he does. They’ve been little short of shameful in how they try to smugly insult opponents and lecture them on democracy when the Clinton’s/obamas decide who will be running for them. They’ve been pathetic, offering f**k all to the electorate. Trump is as much a symptom of their failing as republicans cowardly taking it in the rear to sycophantically cling to Trumps coattails.

Some of what Trump does will optically look good like ending war in Ukraine. The question is how that plays out longer term for stability of Europe. Germany will actually like having access to cheap Russian gas so many will be secretly happy and publicly less enthusiastic. In many ways we in europe have been piggy backing on US security so I don’t think Trump is wrong about not wanting USA to be world police. From a self preservation POV I do worry what’s gonna happen to us longer term as I feel Putin will continue destabilising an easily fractured Europe. Another potential Brexit is probable in next 10 years.

So my view on Trump is that there’s an awful lot of hard truths he says about the broken system in American politics and geopolitical reliance on USA to keep balance. But I don’t think the kind of character/person he clearly is (and the people who are surrounding him) is best suited to redraw the rules of world (and USA) order. People have turned to somebody who most don’t really understand (“he doesn’t really mean that” ….) in desperation for hope of change, I don’t think it’s going to be the positive change they expected.

But I view this more pragmatically in feeling that our human societies are just pathetic in general at fixing broken systems and usually need massive pain/destruction To rebalance. We’ve taken relative freedom for granted and allowed it to warp into the weird world we see today where there’s never been a greater gap between the rich and poor and people are think a billionaire who inherited their wealth from daddy is gonna fix it. You wouldn’t believe it, if it was a movie released in 2015 but here we are…

Bookmark this and see how much I get right in next 4 years.

Nobody was sent to gulags?

Trump had people in cages, he literally lost 6000 children that he separated from their parents, deliberately cruel, on purpose, as a deterrent to migration, and later could not re-unite them because he didn't bother keeping records when he was caging them

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/11/1116917364/how-the-trump-white-house-misled-the-world-about-its-family-separation-policy

These things happened to thousands of people. The next term, Trump has given himself permission, nay, an obligation, to do this on a much much bigger scale. And he has already got the people lined up to implement these policies, and plans to deal with anyone who refuses to comply with them. (in the first term, he was hampered by legal challenges and civil servants who did not want to implement these cruel policies)

Enjoy the celebrations.

I remember after Brexit, the 'pwmed the libs' crowd celebrated their victory too, then when brexit actually happened, complained about the brexit they got, and wondered why they were poorer, had worse prospects and fewer rights

When decisions are objectively stupid and wrong, and when decisions are made on the basis of lies and propaganda instead of rational honest arguments, the penny will eventually drop. With Trump, on January 20th next year, the penny will drop very quickly for many people who didn't think 'project 2025' was real (because Trump Lied through his teeth about it being his agenda)

I don’t understand why there isn’t more discussion on the fact that Trump effectively only matched his turnout numbers from last time. He hasn’t improved , dems vote collapsed.

Are exit polls asking people voting ? If so, then the real reason why Trump won is more down to the people who chose not to vote this time around. What is it 10-11 million less voters for dems ? They didn’t turn to Trump, so the reason they didn’t vote decided this election.