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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What was in the texts blanch?

    Exactly you haven't a clue.

    Yet the court sat and reached it's verdict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭Vexorg


    You are being dishonest, the only person who has mentioned the PSNI In the context of the recent events is you. The poster has not said what you have repeatedly stated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I'm not being dishonest, just because hasnt mentioned them makes no difference. The PSNI are the ones who investigated NOD and Magee. The PSNI cleared them both of any criminal wrong doing. Why did the PSNI investigated these two people and claim no crimes occurred if they're pedophiles? It's a simple question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I never alleged that the PSNI found that. I asked why Sinn Fein did not report him to the Gardai.

    For all we know, NOD could have wiped/lost his phone and the case fell for lack of evidence.

    You really need to carefully read my posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The only court that found either of them guilty were the kangaroo courts that Sinn Fein put them through under their "comprehensive" child protection policy. Are you saying that Sinn Fein framed them and the activity didn't happen? That is a much more serious allegation against Sinn Fein, destroying two man's careers just because.

    Come clean Francie. Did the men do something disgusting and deserve what they got? Come off the fence and either admit that, or criticise Sinn Fein for their treatment of them.

    Do you consider their behaviour, given there were children involved, rather than two adults, to be more reprehensible than that of Stanley? I do, but do you?

    Again, come off the fence. I have no hesitation in putting forward my opinion, but all you and @Augme do is attack the poster without giving a view on the scandals.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    You said the PSNI let him off the hook. Again, here it is clearly written down. You claimed NOD committed a crime in Ireland, the PSNI knew about it and refused to report it to the Garda. Why did the PSNI refuse to report this crime to the Garda? The PSNI are not powerless to report crimes in the Republic either.

    He wasn't convicted because Sinn Fein only reported the man in Northern Ireland where the age of consent is lower than in Ireland where it would have been a crime. Not only did they let him off the hook that way (which meant the PSNI were powerless) but MLMD gave him a glowing send-off which the child described as "like a mental stab".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭Vexorg


    I cannot answer your question as I did not make the accusation. You however have accused the poster of claiming the PSNI covered up paedophilia in Sinn Fein. They never mentioned the PSNI and your quotes where you claim they accused the Psni clearly demonstrates this. You are gaslighting, this is dishonest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Your lack of comprehension is stunning. I said that Sinn Fein let him off the hook by reporting the crime in Northern Ireland rather than in the South. Sinn Fein had the option of either, as a political party they are not bound to stay within statutory powers.

    In relation to the PSNI, perhaps you would point me to the legislative or statutory powers of the PSNI to report the matter to the Gardai. As someone with an extensive knowledge of politics, you will be aware that statutory bodies can only operate within the powers that are given to them. They cannot act outside their powers, otherwise they can be sued (As a SF member, I have no doubt that NOD would have followed the SF culture and sued if the PSNI acted outside their powers). So, in making this accusation against the PSNI, and the clear statement that they could have reported it to the Gardai, you will no doubt be aware of the specific statutory power they have to report the matter to the Gardai and will be able to point it out to me in the legislation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I've explained to explain numerous times why the PSNI refused to investigate crimes of a sexual nature on a minor and they haven't answered. There's no gasligting in asking questions. Ridiculous claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Do you know what was in the texts?

    No you don’t The police do and found no crime was committed.

    You found both guilty of being pedophiles.

    Fire up your resident psychiatrist's report that supports that or is he/she away home for the tae?

    You called them pedophiles, don't be asking me to prove it for you, you back it up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭Vexorg


    If you are not gaslighting you will be able to show where the poster accused the PSNI of covering up paedophilia.

    " The psni's refusal to investigate crimes of a sexual nature on a minor" this is a typo surely?

    Asking questions can be gaslighting depending on how they are phrased. However you made statements and presented them as the words of another poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Anyone is legally entitled to report a crime. You could have reported NOD when you become aware he committed a crime in the Republix. Again, this raises the question as to why you did not report a crime involving sexual activities with minors too?

    As for the PSNI. How exactly would the PSNI be acting outside their powers if they reported a crime or shared intelligence on a crime? I have to say, that's a new one on me. But here's some more information from Simon Harris the relationship between the Garda and PSNI.

    P.S. I never said the PSNI legally have to report. I'm asking you why do you think the PSNI refused to report a crime of sexual activity against a minor when they became aware of it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Yes, good spot it, is a typo. The PSNI did investigate those crimes and found no crimes were committed. I'm still waiting to understand why the PSNI refused to prosecute JJ Magee and cleared him of any wrong doing when @blanch152 is claiming he committed crimes of a sexual nature against a minor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Someone who vehemently denies the allegation and who has submitted his defence.

    Yet the kangaroo court with none of the facts in front of them finds him guilty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    An awful read but an informative post, on the BBC link re Michael McMonagle -the idea that none of his former colleagues in Sinn Fein noticed him or recognised him at the event does not seem credible at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    No, the PSNI is a statutory body set up under legislation, it is not a person, so it doesn't fall under the category of "anyone".

    As I requested, since you are so sure that the PSNI had a responsibility to report the crime to the Gardai, you can point me to the relevant legislation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    You have claimed the PSNI were aware of child sex offences that had been carried out in the South and they have refused to report it to the Garda. That's a very serious allegation against the PSNI, do you accept that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    That is actually gaslighting

    There is no kangaroo court here

    Just a bunch of people speculating on not a good look after a flurry of sexual deviancies cropped up Vs a duo of people saying nothing to see here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That's would be fine but for the fact that he has been declared a 'paedophile' on foot of zero evidence, i.e. a criminal charge, a clinical report or even his name being placed on a register.
    Also, I didn't see you riding in to the defence when the Stanley process was called a 'kangaroo court' also based on zero evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    But the Stanley court was a kangaroo court,who better to call it one than the kangeroo’ed himself



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If you cannot see the inherent problem there then I despair for you tbh. But I think you do and are just digging in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The position being taken is that there have been quite a number of child protection incidents in Sinn Fein, that Sinn Fein has handled this extremely badly, that there may need to be a statutory inquiry into the situation - these were listed in an earlier post.

    That one of these incidents is still going through the investigatory procedure does not in anyway detract from the position.

    You might remember to answer the questions asked sometime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    No, it's not. It's people claiming the PSNI new sexual activity occurred with a minor in the Republic and refused to report it to the Garda. That's a very serious allegation against the PSNI. All carried out by a kangaroo court too.

    These accusations should not go unchallenged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Again, I am not going to help you validate your findings.
    You routinely convict on allegation alone.

    That has been your modus operandi for as long as I am a member of this site.

    You have done it again here to support a sensationalist 'pedophile ring' dog whistle.

    As you are clearly not going to retract I'll leave it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    I would contend that it is you trying to brush now multiple recent not a good look deviancies under the carpet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    Game on now for SF

    For anyone thinking that as the major opposition party that its poll rating won’t rise or that it won’t gain seats in this general election,you will be wrong.

    Past history has taught us,numbers will change during a campaign and it’s easier for the opposition and SF to rise than the sitting government

    They certainly won’t have any big loss in seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    They have seats in trouble based on the polls, I did a post on this some time back. Will revise it once we see general election polls. However, can't see them retaining Clare, Laois and the two Kildares. Perhaps they might gain one or two.

    Also McMonagle back in the news today doesn't help them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,570 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They're adding candidates in areas where they're already in trouble. Insane behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,080 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I guess we'll see.

    But its been an absolutely disastrous first day for SF, with Pearse Doherty being humiliated over his lying about Norma Foley and Claire Kerrane having to backpedal over what could be viewed as a pretty far-right post concerning deportation, and she the integration spokesperson.



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