Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

"Hoodwinking" and convincing people about what you are running (whether it's true or not) is the definiton of running a successful and effective election campaign.

Trump managed to energise people by going on podcasts like Rogan and Theo Von et al and probably convinced people who would usually not bother voting into going to the ballot box. He said outlandish and ridiculous things that got people riled up and WANTING to vote. His tactics were undoubtedly dishonest but effective.

The Democrats spend a good portion of the campaign trying to convince the American public that a decripit old man was "sharp as a tack" before unceremoniously dumping him after being embarrassed by his opponent on television. Then they had Harris going on The View and other programmes of that ilk to pander to the voting base that she already had locked in. They did nothing to energise or motivate new voters. They also had Kamala Harris, who was the sitting VP, saying she was new blood and she would improve the economy, when everyone knew she had been part of the reigime that had the economy where it sat. She picked the blandest VP to accompany her.

Sexism, if it played a part, was negligible in comparison to how bad their strategy was.

So what should we do? Mollycoddle and align ourselves with fascists?
Unlike your side, we are decent people and victory at any cost is not the goal. We have something called morals, scruples and decency.

You'll be disgusted when you hear what Trump said about Mexicans.

Your signature is interesting.

Well put. I'd have no time for Trump myself. But certainly, as someone over here on the sidelines, wouldn't have been a supporter of Harris either.

Both are terrible. Could be argued one worse than the other. But jesus, the tribalism and loud voices on social media (on both sides) was absolutely nauseating.

A complete detachment from reality. And on the Democrats part, an ignorance of the more rational voter, who was drowned out by fervent support and passionate calls from celebrities and a desire by others to be seen to be part of a trend.

"I don't like Trump therefore I'm for Harris, and my condescending posts and impassioned pleas will generate likes and shares on social media"

The fact then Harris didn't appear to even thank the thousands of people waiting on her after a loss further convinced me of my thought of how shallow and fickle the campaign was.

She could have taken it on the chin, made a speech and urged Democrats to weather the storm and they'll be back again. There's no point doing it in a day's time. It evokes an image of her going off to sulk and giving the finger to those who spent hours waiting for her. Some candidate. (Don't take that to mean I view Trump positively either) Sh..show all round.

A successful election campaign is a different story. You know that.

I was alive for his previous time behind the Resolute Desk, his actions when he was supposed to hand back power. He didn't even bother turning up for Biden's inauguration etc etc etc etc The most recent fascistic hatred spouted on the campaign trail. The man is vile.

Woke as it is now characterised is an invention of the right. Designed as a bogeyman and it has worked. But does not exist as its portrayed and was only ever used by a tiny element to describe themselves. Anything that is somehow empathetic to an "other" is now characterised as woke. A catch all term designed to capture as many as possible "What or who dont you like.. oh thats just woke", and that way everyone can have something to blame on the "woke"

Irish people believe Republican voters are all stupid.

Perhaps the penny is dropping that all Democratic voters are stupid as well.

I thought it might be that if Pelosi steps down someone might start investigating her net worth of 250m when her salary has been 170-230k. I reckon Biden was just trying to sabotage the harris campaign by wearing a maga hat,calling people garage,wanting to smack Republicans on the arse etc

You are by and far, not alone.

The part of me that cares about the Americans and in particular those I have befreinded over the years, hopes that this collective mistake of the voting public will not hurt them badly. But the old history student in me is somewhat certain that they will regret this choice yet again.

Donald Trump also believes Republican voters are stupid.

America loves racist rapists.

Seems many do.