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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,555 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Yeah, in the mind of the average American Harris is worse than merely a woman: she's an educated woman of colour.

    When the alternative on the ballot paper is Donald Trump, the only excuses for not voting for Harris are sexism, racism and ignorance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Great point.

    It is like people are being talked down to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,467 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    So 2.44% is todays inflation rate figure.

    Let’s start a Trump inflation watch group just to monitor where it goes for the next 4 years - see you back here 2028 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Would just like to say well done to our gormless idiots we have running the country. They've well and truly screwed us by openly supporting one candidate over the other. Like it or not we desperately need a good relationship with America, our clowns have seriously damaged that by being so hostile to the now US president the leader of our most important trading partner. Next time keep the mouths shut lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Big difference to the 2 parties as you will know. If the house goes the GOP we will see some bad stuff but that kind off stuff fantasy plus unlike Russia there will be more then 1 party. I am so sure if I was a betting man I would put serious money on that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    I'm not sure how it is you think we have anything even approaching an antidote in our upcoming election. We have various recipes of the same shyte pie available to us. The only bonus is we can remove greens from dessert.

    As to the dems, they've done it again, dripping in hubris they deserve the loss, worked hard for it even, and they'll pay dearly for it too. Crusty the clown could have won against dump but no we'll replace the two legged horse with a three legged one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Ya it's funny no one had a problem with the supreme court when it had a left majority for 30 years and voted the way they liked. But it's suddenly a big problem now it has shifted to the right and is not voting how they'd like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,101 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Whether he is elected or not Trump, he knows how to tune into his electorate and get the vote out. he got millions to vote that never voted before.

    And that time when he was I was shocked, not because he was shot. It is America they love shooting each other all the time.

    But it was the fact that Trump had the mindset to see it has a photo opportunity disregard his safety stand up and shout "fight, fight fight" raising his fist. The vast majority of people would have ducked, ran for cover. But Trump has that reality TV instinct. How many votes did that get him I wonder? Loads Trump republicans have the moment printed on T-shirts.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,559 ✭✭✭PsychoPete




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    One example will be the federal vs. states rights angle, which I believe the Republicans campaigned on in favour of states' rights.

    Roe vs. Wade was knocked down so several states have instituted abortion protections. In this same election, Trump voting, conservative states have also voted in favour of abortion access. It will be interesting to see how the Republicans address that.

    Do they actually care about states' rights or only when states tor the line?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,061 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What has shifted is hypocritical virtue signalling celebs have lost their lustre.

    What qualifies some celebs as hypocritical virtue signalling and more as not?

    That aside, there's very little evidence that celebs have ever had a lustre in swinging a vote for one side or another. I mean, if Harris had won last night, would it mean that it was because of the celebs, or that people saw Trump for what he was and said they didn't want it, instead of seeing him in that way and saying they did?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭randd1


    Big time.

    And they've said America is fully ok with the debase and crass demented policies of Trumpism because Democrats are too out of touch to vote for. And that they really don't like women.

    But democracy in action nonetheless, and thus should be respected until you have the chance again to vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    The end of the USA and the further rise of Putin, China etc. Obviously a lot of American's not educated (properly). Trump is pure scum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    A rewatch of succession s4 ep8 "america decides" is timely right about now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    And that attitude there my dear Sleepy, is probably why people didn't bother voting.

    The sheer ARROGANCE of you stating that if you don't vote for Kamala Harris, is you are ignorant, racist or a sexist!

    You genuinely believe that anyone who doesn't agree with you politically is ignorant, racist or sexist.

    A sneering, full of misplaced confidence/intelligence, incredibly annoying attitude that is both laughable and disgusting in equal measures.

    It's no wonder people would choose not to align themselves with people who think like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,101 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Their whole politcal system is not fit for purpose, it is just daft, and you either have to be monied to run in politics in America or backed heavily by vested interests. I think it suits those backers to keep things exactly as they are.

    I was amazed that all American politicians can own vast amounts on stocks and shares, then vote on the legislation that effects it. Basically manipulating the market. How many other countries would allow that?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Oh I agree I be shocked if he didn't try but he might knight someone in his stead. The midterms will be crucial the Democratic party has 2 years rather then 4 to sort out there crap. I think the people take more of a look in legislative stuff. You just have to take a look at some of the measures. Abortion measures been approved in red states. though worryingly in Ohio a proposition did fail to lessen Gerrymandering



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭taratee


    Watched TV3 this morning and they were trying to push this and I don't agree with it at all. We need to be honest and say that Clinton and Harris should not have been running for office. Harris was a poor candidate but Clinton was horrendous. In hindsight, Harris wanted people to vote for her because she wasn't Trump. Aside from the support of a range of stars, she didn't really offer than much. I thought she'd get over the line because she wasn't Trump myself.

    Biden beat Trump because he's been part of the political elite for decades and he knows how to play the game, and play it well. If Biden had run against Trump instead of Clinton, he would have won that election with plenty to spare. He would have made Trump look like an absolute fool back then. I lay the blame for this defeat and the last defeat to Trump firmly at the feet of the Dems.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    Trump is president for life. No doubt about it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    In the US context? Calling them right wing makes even less sense.

    You don't be partisan elections to fit on a left right spectrum. All parties are somewhere on the spectrum.

    But the point remains, gun ownership, does not make one right wing. You are confusing a characteristic of US republicans, with ring wing, not the same thing.

    Some people with far right views voting republican does not make the GOP far right. I suspect you know that.

    It's all relative. Everyome is left compares to the Nazis. everyone is right compared to Chairman Mao…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Trump was pretty pro-Israel last time round, supported moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, no real criticism of settler activity. Netanyahu is certainly happy, which probably says a lot here too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Disagree Republicans support abortion and they're stance has been growing stronger as the decades roll on leading us to where we are today.

    So if the democratic party of today is center right socially, what would a left, far left party look like socially?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The Irish media were even worse.

    I am not a Trump fan and wanted Harris to win (for selfish reasons admittedly as Ireland is screwed under a Trump presidency), but there wasn't an iota of impartiality or objectivity in the Irish media on this election. Almost no one was able to acknowledge the idea that Trump could win.

    Listening to Newstalk today was funny, total shellshock and incredulity at the result. A perfect example of a total lack of critical thinking. Some people really seem to think that if only they believe in something hard enough, it will come through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭crusd


    Ultimately it will probably end up that about 150million voted this time. It 2020 it was about 158million - Trump at 74 million and Biden at 81 Million. Total Electorate has also grown in the meantime so turnout is the majotr factor. Harris will probably top out at about 72 million and Trump maybe 75. So why did 9 million Biden voters not bother voting this time? These were not people who were persuaded Trump offered the better policy platform or the better leader as they didn't vote for him either. They just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Harris. Now the rhetoric being pushed about Harris by the republicans.. her voice, her family situation, her dress sense etc all played into tropes about independent women. Why did republicans and Trump push these talking points if not to turn voters away from Harris? To deny it was a factor for some is to ignore reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The type of person that is going to vote for the other side, to avoid voting for a women, is more likely to be conservative.
    Which means that however hard it is for a female democrat candidate to be elected, it's going to be even harder for a republican.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Maybe so but Trump acted the clown while Americans died in their droves from COVID. Not his fault COVID arrived and without it I think he beat Biden easily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭McFly85


    While there’s definitely big mistakes made by the democrats, holding them primarily responsible for the result doesn’t make any sense to me, like they’re being viewed as the hapless parent of an unruly child in the republicans.

    America has said clearly that they want Trump as president, and they clearly don’t care about the felonies, sexual assault, classified documents or any of the other million things.

    The democrats didn’t run an amazing campaign but it wasn’t a total disaster either. America just likes Trump.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Winners focus on winning, loser's focus on winners.



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