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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    well for e.g. i live in north strand, the whole area has been given a massive facelift with new footpaths and safe bike lanes, because of green policies and a commitment to spend a lot of money on these kinds of things during their term in government. also plants and greening of previously dull concrete parts of the public realm. bus services are greatly improving, we have 24 hour buses now and the 2 euro 90 minute fare is amazing. just about to launch 24 hour route all the way to bray from dublin city centre. the metro looks like it'll actually go ahead this time.

    all of these things are long lasting achievements and a voter like myself prioritises things like this as it improves our lives greatly.

    aren't carbon taxes the work of the greens? they haven't gone away either and will be here to stay when the greens are gone, that would be considered a permanent success by the greens and it's woke cult following like myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    Which of those items is going to stop the oncoming climate armageddon? I suppose if the money has been spent on paving stones in Dublin it isn't available to build LNG terminals or motorways between Irish Cities. I can see why the Green Party is supported by Urbanites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,967 ✭✭✭buried


    Everything you've stated there can be dug up in the morning by the councils in the exact same way it was laid down, just like your policies. Carbon taxes included, with one swipe of a pen they can be eradicated anytime anything else needs to be prioritized. The only long lasting achievement ye have done within the last 5 years has been to make your ideology ultimately toxic with the vast majority of voters that will go to the polls within the next two elections. Your party, as well meaning as it may be, has no nuance to appeal to the vast majority because the green ideology only wants to think of the "immediate". Politics doesn't work like that, you have be a long-term sneak, just like the boyos you get in bed with who ultimately utilize your policies to then shift the blame on to you.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Do you understand what the word "mandate" means? by that post it seems you don't



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    Yes, I do. 12 seats out of 160. They went in to Government knowing that the vast majority of the public do not want them anywhere near the levers of power.

    Anything else you need me to clear up for you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    the councils are not going to dig up north strand and fairview etc., why on earth would they do that, and i'm pretty sure recent council elections had all green seats kept on dcc.

    the council also voted in favour of the traffic changes in dublin on the quays etc., what would be considered toxic green ideology by yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,967 ✭✭✭buried


    To spend the allocated monies they are given to make sure they get it the next year. Happens all the time. That's how it works. Those lads aren't concerned with any notion of saving the planet. Its all about getting the money.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,967 ✭✭✭buried


    I never said your ideology was toxic to me. That's you putting words in people's mouths. Another reason ye are unpopular. Another example of a complete lack of political nuance.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    I don't see their post but I was involved in processing the Termination of their Connection Offer long before 2019. Those units were pencilled to close late in the decade since 2011 and were assumed unavailable in the Gate 3 connection studies for the 4GW wind to meet the 2020 targets after 2018. They got extended due to margin issues, but not significantly. Only ED1 at Edenderry survived because they were testing co-firing with biomass at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,999 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Folks, we already have nuclear.
    It’s just British nuclear via the inter connecter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    So the passenger cap is to be removed in dublin Airport.


    I thought it was a climate emergency and everyone needed to do their bit?


    Michael O Leary will be rubbing his hands.


    This whole thing is a farce and this removal shows it.

    No matter what we all try do and no matter how much taxes we are forced to pay it doesn’t matter one bit.

    The people at the top still dictate while the small people get all the blame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    To really rattle your cage, Kenny Jacobs was on the radio this morning saying planning is in to go to 40million in Dublin, and when that's through they are going back in to get it to 50 million.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    But the small people were going nuts because the people at the top wouldn't lift the cap, and blaming them for stifling the economy etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The passenger cap was put in place by Fingal because of the infrastructurearound the airport like roads etc. That was put in place in 2007 as part of the planning for Terminal 2.

    The farce is the amount of misinformation fired around

    Has the roads etc around the airport been made better to be capable of more passangers? Is the M50 a free flowing motorway all the time? do we have better public transport to/from the airport to get people away and to the airport?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Nope.


    That’s my point. Things can get changed on a whim to suit certain groups.


    More planes= more pollution and Co2.


    But hey just keep taxing the little people as it’s all their fault.


    Why a joke the whole thing is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Not all the small people. A lot aren’t calling for the removal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The infrastructure is not in place. More planes mean more people and no method to get them to and from the airport.

    If anything we have less now in terms of parking for the airport compared to 2007 and close to a monopoly on parking which is never good

    As I said the cap was put in place in 2007 as part of the planning terms for the Terminal 2, no "taxing the little people"

    If the cap is removed what happens when the infrastructure around the airport cannot cope and the price for parking goes sky high and people can't even get parking. Then it will be another whinge fest from the same people about poor planning.
    It's a joke alright but not for the reasons you think it is.

    But you are an excellent example of the misinformation spread around the web daily



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    So regardless of poor infrastructure and more pollution the cap is being removed.


    Where is the misinformation there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    No it's paused.

    I suggest you actually do a tiny bit of research before posting, maybe start with reading past the headlines in articles. You never know what you will discover in this big bold World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Di you think the cap won’t be removed permanently?


    Enough of the childish insults please.


    Its a discussion forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I find it amusing that from reading post here from some you could be lead to believe that Eamon Ryan and greens were forced against their will to shut the two turf burning plants in Shannonbridge and Lanesboro.

    I case anyone forgets these are the same people who wanted to introduce community borders within the country where communitied of less than one thousand could sell and gift turf within their border and those with greater than one thousand could not, and who recently wanted to introduce search and seizure legislation on turf.

    What we have got in the interim from Ryan is electricity generation that is a shambles. A green policy on electricity generation that they are afraid to give a costing for that will not provide for demand, or even if its hydrogen element will work to scale. A high court judgement over-turning a LNG decision on planning that Ryan disgracefully used his weight of office to get even when he finally had to concede that we will need LNG, but like the three wise monkey green attitude to nuclear, would be a leased offshore ship terminal.

    To add to the farce of shutting turf burning plants we now have a wood burning plant in Edenderry that was previously turf burning having wood shipped from Australia to Foynes and then transported by trucks on a 400 Km round trip, another plant for similar in Killala that will burn 200,000 ton of wood annually shipped to Killybegs from, above all places, Brazil, then transported to truck on a 330 Km round trip. Meanwhile we are all suppose to believe that this is all carbon neutral. Even An Taisce are not falling for that nonsense.

    If you were writing a comedy farce you literally could not make this stuff up, yet the greens have made it government policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭creedp


    So keeping the cap is an excuse not to fix any of the problems causing its implementation. Handy political get out clause for doing nothing

    Oh sorry the Greens want to implement a complete useless green number plate for EVs. More political codology for doing something but achieving nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    They were marked to be shut down before Eamon was in gov, I know you'll blame him anyway but surely they'll open them back up in a few weeks when the greens are gone?

    The importing wood thing is ridiculous alright, much like the Origin Green nonsense with Irish beef and dairy as they're also fed imported grains from Brazil and beyond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    He was the relevant Minister when they shut down when they could have stayed open for another year during which time Eamon could have put the same pressure on planning that he put on to get the later high court over- ruling on an LNG terminal. But then greens have a bee in their bonnets where turf is concerned and have come up with increasingly bizarre idea on while hypocritically pushing the absolute nonsense of wood burning as carbon neutral. Whe it comes to facts v ideology for greens only their ideology counts. But then the ability to count isn`t one of their strong points as this offshore wind/hydrogen plans makes very evident.

    On the imported grain from Brazil and others, isn`t it great for the planet on the reductions of emissions that we are going to cull 200,000 cattle while the same Brazil is increasing their herds by X140 times that number in the next decade!!

    Another example of greens unable to do even the most basic mathematics, or facts not being allowed to get in the way of ideology ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I think it will turn into a **** show and the cap will be reintroduced

    So lets look at the companies who everyone thinks are fighting for them to have the cap removed

    Ryanair: who won't give a sh*t if people can or can't get to and from the airport. All the better if you are stuck in traffic and miss a flight as you will have to buy a replacement one

    DAA: who agreed to the restrictions to get a T2 and have done what since to improve or get better traffic flow? this is a company which makes money from more airplanes landing and makes more money from people in the airport. They have also tried to make a total monopoly on parking in the airport, driving up the cost to "the little people" for parking when they get a chance. Trying to buy Quickpark site as well so everyone would be screwed

    Aerlingus: which is IAG now, again a company which only cares about how many flights they can stack up

    With the restricts down do you think the price of a flight is going to come down? is the price of parking going to reduce?

    Have DAA come out and said its going to reduce their fee on airplanes with the cap paused?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2022/12/23/dublin-airport-charges-to-increase-following-ruling/

    People are actually cheering on companies to make more money and not provide a proper service to the airport

    https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2024/05/28/daa-to-pay-31-million-dividend-with-profitability-on-a-recovery-path-post-covid#:~:text=Turnover%20in%20the%20period%20was,%E2%82%AC176%20million%20for%202023.

    As I said, this will turn into a sh*t show and the same people cheering on the cap removal will be the first out complaining

    But yes its something something Eamonn Ryan……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Who's culling 200,000 cattle? When is this happening? The gov will be dissolved shortly so Eamon would want to get a move on killing these cows.

    Do you think the power plants will reopen when Eamon is gone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Did you miss the green`s threatening to collapse the government if they didn`t get their way on culling the number of cattle here ?

    Will those power plants in Shannonbridge and Lanesboro re-open, I doubt it as Lanesboro was to be demolished and Shannonbridge is being converted to gas/diesel fuel burning, which isn`t exactly environmentally friendly either.

    Do you thing the wood burning plants in Edenderry and Killala should be allowed to operate even if the greens are not gone from government ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I don't know much about power generation in Ireland so I can't answer that.

    I don't remember the greens threatening to collapse the government no. No government was collapsed and no cows were culled though were they?



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