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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But is it is irrelevant. It's the EC that matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The Republican party are not the working class party. Have you forgotten that Trump is giving a cabinet position to Musk who is anti union?

    Musk is not just anti-union, he is the richest man in the world. Not the richest man in Connecticut, the world.

    Working class party my hole.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I'm with you..

    If the enthusiasm was there , the place would be rammed - Last chance to see him before he romps to Victory and all that.

    He base not being arsed to turn up is not a good sign for their urgency to vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Well then I think she's the one who gets terminated though I might be mixing up my movie franchises.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So is your position that there's no difference between the 99% of abortions that are done out of convenience and an intervention to save the life of the mother that tragically results in the death of the baby?

    Ok, I was wrong to use 'murder'. They're both killings, however. Going by your logic there's no difference between them.

    And I still think that all of these Western countries are dictatorships. I could give you many reasons as to why I think that, but that's for another thread. And I think such a thread would be closed pretty quickly anyway.

    In a nutshell: any country in which people live in fear, be it for their lives or their livelihoods (it's getting to be increasingly both in a far few Western countries, but is till more the latter), because of their views are unfree. There are different shades. You seem to think that when I say they're dictatorships that I mean that they are identical to China, North Korea, et al. But, as I say, for a different thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Jeff Bezos might want a word on that. Put all there paper wealth in to real currency and Musk be well down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    99% of abortions are not done out of convenience. What's your position on rape exceptions or IVF?

    Yes a thread about your view on dictatorships would be probably closed because it's nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Has anyone told RTE that polls have been opened for weeks now in the States.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,835 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I reckon the members of the US electorate, at home and abroad, in this debate might differ with you that they are irrelevant, that they should not have the right to decide, by way of their vote, who should be their president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭Economics101


    This abortion discussion is ridiculous. Abortion laws, whether permissive or restrictive are a legal matter. Abortion is also for a great many people a huge moral issue. Trying to give legal force to your moral views is akin to taking a Theocratic approach to legislation. And highly restrictive laws on abortion are going to produce many individual tragic fatal outcomes, because the law is inevitably a blunt instrument which cannot address all individual circumstances; you just have to leave it to the judgement (including the moral judgement) of individual medical practioners and their patients. Also, banning abortion drives it underground with often disasterous consequences.

    I have a feeling that in Ireland many conscientious Catholics who personally disapprove of abortion in most circumstances have seen the futility of using the law to ban it. I am sure that abortion is a trauma for nearly all affected women and being subject to possible criminal sacntions can be just another layer of cruelty.

    But cruelty seems to be the hallmark of the Trumpain Republican party.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Your views/opinions can be freely expressed , but they come with consequences.

    It's the consequences you seem to be having a problem with.

    If you say things that the majority of people disagree with , they'll likely tell you.

    If you say things that they really don't like , then they might not want to do business with you and indeed they might tell others not to do business with you either.

    If anything that is the absolute definition of a Free and Open society - You can freely express your opinion and others can express their opinions right back and utilise their free-agency to support/not support you as a result.

    Allowing someone to say/do exactly as they please without ANY fear of consequence is far closer to genuine dictatorship than any of the things you suggest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    My position is that they are both abortions.

    Have you a source for claiming that 99% are done out of convenience? Because your own link earlier had 1/3 being non-elective


    Of course they’re both killings, no one but you seemed confused about that.

    Is it still your position that you are against abortions in all cases?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If the poll from Kansas which showed Trump only has a 5 point lead in the state is accurate it could be a very grim night for MAGA Republicans tomorrow.

    On Trump's dwindling crowd sizes, a lot of people have already voted so that might at least partially explain it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    watching, waiting, anticipating.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭pad406




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The party of the working class whose candidate refused to say he would support increasing the federal minimum wage, who is famous for shafting contractors, who praised the worlds biggest public d*ckhead, Elon Musk for breaking unions in his Tesla plant and who bragged about not liking paying overtime.

    The Republicans are the party of working class in the same way that BP is the worlds leading company in advocating for green initiatives.

    Trump supporters (sorry, not supporters) come out with some stuff on here, but this is some of the best work.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I agree with Walz, what he has said and what it is clear he means. There, someone answered it.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    My read of what MinisterAnarchy was trying to say was that the Republican Party is now that of the working class VOTER, as opposed to being champions of working class ideals. It does look like the MAGA GOP has convinced some of the most poor pepole in the US that they are the ones to vote for, because they'll keep the immigrant wolves at the door who are making their lives so bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    He beat Hilary by about 20 points and Biden by 15. So the swing is similar to the Iowa poll.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    They support Harris and Walz for the same reason most do on this side of the pond, it will be less damaging to the economy than Trump, and we hopefully will have more support for the Ukraine/Russia issue as well as not as blunt an instrument in regards Israel/Palestine. It actually has little to do with abortion over here, but it does over there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Trump won Kansas by 15% in 2020 and 21% in 2016.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're not wrong, but MA is around these threads long enough that they know how to make a point while acknowledging reality rather than painting a picture that some people would read and take at face value.

    This meme sums up the concern conservative trend setters have when it comes to workers and how to use them for things under than work.

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    It is very intentional I'm posting this version of the meme as it depicts the famous immigrant to America, Rupert Murdoch and we all know the impact he has had on our various societies the last 50 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    It's not a circular argument. Evidence of voter fraud is vanishingly small, and the only organised effort in recent memory involved a Republican activist fraudulently collecting mail in ballots from voters. Voter ID laws are clear efforts at disenfranchisement and voter suppression. There's no ambiguity around that. There are already very robust mechanisms in place to prevent illegal voting, that have proven sufficient to date. What problem are these Voter ID laws going to solve? It's an utter nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    KY is here on 538,

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    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/?cid=rrpromo

    This snake-map stacks the states by the chance either candidate will win them based on its model, if you care about that sort of thing.

    I definitely don't foresee him losing SC or KY for example but if Iowa is correct in that Selzer poll, it's going to be a very bad night for Trumpers.

    That said of course it's not necessarily the case even if the IA poll is correct that it means every state to the left of it on the chart goes for Harris, like TX and FL. If it did, it would be curtains for Trump:

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    https://www.270towin.com/

    The other weak red state being Ohio, I've heard a lot of reports about it lately, a lot of anxious Trumpers making scenes at the polls etc., it might not be as red as the polls think, but who knows TM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    Trump's working class credentials are a bit of a myth. Biden won people with incomes of under 50k, people with incomes between 50 and 100k and lost with people of incomes over 100k, which is roughly what you'd expect given that Republicans favour tax cuts for the wealthy and taking away social safety nets. No doubt there are many conservative working class people voting against their own economic interests but he is mainly a self appointed voice of the working class it seems. Will be interesting to see if there's much change in this election.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    An interesting, very off topic question, but you said fear for their livelihoods. Does this mean abortion is OK for you if it will put a mother into severe financial distress? Feel free to reply by DM as I feel this abortion talk is severely off topic at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Crowd are rivetted at trump's latest rally... Zoom in!

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    Btw - he's definitely getting more orange by the day...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note

    Everyone please move on from the abortion discussion.

    It is off topic for this thread - which is extremely busy as it is with the election tomorrow.

    Thank you all for the collaboration on this.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,599 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Yes thats exactly what I inferred, other posters are blatantly trying to take what I said out of context.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    NPR/Marist poll showing Harris 4 points ahead nationally.

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