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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    You’re just being facetious by suggesting things like education history. It surely only adds seconds to record information such as nationality etc and I don’t see the disadvantage. Surely more information gathered means that patterns can be recognised. And that goes for everyone whether they’re Irish or not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,311 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Even if they had the information I doubt they would be honest so they don't give fuel to the far right.

    We seen coverups such as in Rotherham where innocent victims were just an inconvenience and making the public aware of what went on was too dangerous to tell them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭enricoh


    A big announcement on local radio of increased patrols for a few months should be enough to placate the plebs.

    Communities can decide whether they are gonna stop their towns becoming a dumping ground or have candle light vigils a few years later.

    Ballaghadreen chose the candle light vigil option, it's over for them n the penny might be dropping for em now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Fine, record nationality all you like…

    But remember you guys go nuts when somebody with a foreign sounding name is described as Irish.

    Nationality, immigration status and ethnicity are not something AGS can ascertain at a glance, in the same way they can age and gender.

    Building an accurate picture would require either a lot of AGS time, or perhaps some sort of national ID card that everyone would have to carry at all times.

    I mention demographics factors such as employment status and education history because as I understand the study of crime and criminology these are accepted as true indicators of criminality. I believe the idea of any causative relationship between ethnicity etc and criminality has long since been dismissed, along with the many other eugenics-esque ideas todays far-right, including several contributors to this thread, are trying to resurrect.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-41497022.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    I don’t think people are born with a tendency for criminality if that’s what you’re getting at. But surely it stands to reason that if some countries are unsafe due to high levels of crime then some of the people committing those crimes might make their way to other countries too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Who are "you guys"?.. you need to start elaborating on who it is you are actually referring to. Why do you even care though? According to you anyone can be Irish.

    As expected, you always have excuses for everything.

    Post edited by twinytwo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Two horrific crimes were committed by two men from the same parish in West Wicklow. Using your logic others from that parish are a threat to society too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    that’s not my ‘logic’ and I never said anything about a threat. It’s about establishing patterns. If there are patterns of criminality such as the same parish then yes that should be looked at. We want to reduce crime and recognise patterns



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    The Ballaghaderreen incident.

    Stable door. Horse. Bolted.

    A number of the Romany community here in the town quickly, and mysteriously relocated themselves from the town on Friday. Good timing, it seems.

    https://www.shannonside.ie/news/two-properties-damaged-as-large-group-converge-on-ballaghaderreen-in-balaclavas-252229



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Fine, record nationality all you like…

    But remember you guys go nuts when somebody with a foreign sounding name is described as Irish.

    Nationality, immigration status and ethnicity are not something AGS can ascertain at a glance, in the same way they can age and gender.

    Unfortunately you're right. We actually don't know which countries a lot of these asylum seekers are coming from. Oftentimes they pick the country which is more likely to get them granted asylum. We probably only know of one's real origin by the time they get citizenship here as they have gone through the legal channels, which by that time it will be moot anyway as they will be classed as Irish.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Not much mainstream media coverage of this -a truly shocking incident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Because then the gaslighters in chief on here can continue to parrot their nonsense that "there is no increase in crime baseb in nationality or immigration status".

    Simply put - the Government don't want what the dogs in the streets can see to be made official.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    There's always someone to blame isn't there?

    The government, the leftists, the mainstream media, the judiciary etc, etc… Curse them and their concerted efforts to hide what the 'dogs on the street can see'.

    Funny though, all those right leaning established research institutions worldwide, and non of them are claiming a substantive link between ethnicity and criminality either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Two individuals from the same small rural area have committed heinous crimes against women. That would appear to establish a pattern. What do you think should happen next?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭chooey


    I find this very strange how something like this has barely been reported in mainstream media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    You will always have an excuse for everything though. There is not much point, you are so fanatical, you believe you a right regardless.

    You also seem to struggle to grasp most of what you post here but your want more links?

    Given how you like to preach to everyone here, I would have thought you would have jumped at the chance to answer my previous questions, you know, prove to us how right you are? You see the rest of us as misguided etc etc. You haven't though…. and we all know why 😂

    Weak men, hard times.

    Post edited by twinytwo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,541 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Because there hasn't been an increase in crime, obviously!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    You'd wonder will the gardai come out with a statement like:

    IMG_20241104_114312.jpg

    And then when people do it's "wait, no. Not like that"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    ‘There hasn’t been an increase in crime’ is a vague statement. During what period has the crime rate stayed the exact same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    You know that coming out with a blanket statement like there "hasn't been an increase in crime" is vague, inaccurate and statistically impossible right? 😂

    You like to continually point out how everyone is wrong and that you fully understand what you are talking about. You should at least phrase your statements correctly and stop giving yourself away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,541 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I don't know, but considering they can say there are no increases due to AS, I suppose it must be the period of time that we have seen high increases in AS coming here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,541 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    A poster asked how Gardai know there has been no increase in crime, because of AS. Obviously the answer is that there has been no increase in crime. Seems blindingly obvious. But perhaps posters don't actually read all posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,409 ✭✭✭emo72


    Could the crime level be static, but a higher proportion of crimes be committed by New arrivals? How would we know if national identity isn't recorded? Just saying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭celt262


    Sure there calling AS's Dublin and Donegal men now even though they have been here all of 5 minutes so its no wonder they can't give a breakdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Anyway it’s not true that crime level has not increased. From the CSO website for Q1 of 2024


    • Recorded incidents of Robbery, Extortion & Hijacking offences were up by 18% or 390 to 2,572 in the year to Quarter 1 (Q1) 2024 compared with the same period in 2023. This was driven mostly a rise in incidents of Blackmail or Extortion and Robbery from the Person offences.
    • Crime incidents involving Weapons & Explosives offences were up by 10% or 253 to 2,844 incidents over the period while those involving Theft & Related offences increased by 9% or 6,415 to 75,825 incidents. More than two out of every five (44%) incidents of Theft & Related offences involved Theft from Shops.
    • Crime incidents of Fraud, Deception & Related offences were also up over the period, rising by 9% or 933 to 11,479 incidents.
    • Among those offence groups where recorded crime incidents fell, the most prominent were Offences against Government, Justice Procedures & Organisation of Crime (-16%), Sexual offences (-12%) and Homicide & Related offences (-8%).
    • Victims of Attempts/Threats to Murder, Assaults, Harassments & Related offences fell by 2% in Q1 2024 when compared with Q1 2023. The number of male victims however rose by 2% while the number of female victims was down by 9%.

    Who is committing the crimes we can’t say as AGS do not record whether they are AS or not. So it goes back to my original point. If they don’t record this information how can they state with certainty that there has been no increase in crime as a result of AS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    I read the posts, I am replying directly to you. Statistics/maths is clearly not your strong point. Claiming "blindingly obvious " to something that is, and let me say this again for you… statistically impossible, just makes you look silly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    From what I've seen from AGS reports they've used measures of crime around IPA centers as an indicator.

    Given the difficulties that would be presented by trying to accurately record nationality, ethnicity and immigration status for all crimes and victims (I'd guess requiring a compulsory national identity card), it looks like a solid approach to me.

    Unless of course that devious mastermind ROG's cabal of NGO's has been coaching IPAs to commit crimes away from IPA centers… You can believe that kind of sh**e too if you like I guess.

    Post edited by MegamanBoo on


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, it's amazing all this arguing over a policy that doesn't exist. I don't understand why anyone bothers applying for a visa. Just show up, claim to be an asylum and that you've lost your passport, and then you can stay for ever.

    There is no immigration policy here. None.



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