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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,529 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'd be happy enough if he's just found guilty. If the courts bring the cases to conclusion and find him guilty. While at most his punishment may be house arrest (at one of his massive clubs & golf courses) or severely restricted travel between his own properties rather than any type of jail time, being found guilty and the fact he's likely to never get anywhere near a position of power again would be enough. He can rage-tweet to his hearts content about how he's innocent, it was corrupt yaddayaddayadda, but it would at least be a mark he takes to his grave. And it would hopefully be enough to deter others from trying the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “He is right, why didn't she and Biden do what she claims she will do if elected? She had nearly 4 Years to do so”

    It’s one of the few arguments once you wade through the drivel he comes out with at his rallies - and it’s a standard challenge to those currently in power seeking another term.

    I said throughout that Harris needed to make herself look more independent of the current administration - that was a hard task to do given her role in it - whilst it was prudent she aligned herself at the start to gain confidence and the support of Democrats she needed to also break out a bit - whilst she’s performing well on stage and what not and vastly improved , I’m not sure she has “made it her own” or if she has it’s been a while coming and maybe a bit late in the day- them the breaks I guess.

    You have a rumoured split in the ethnic minority vote with a number anecdotally at least drifting across to Trump - extraordinary in one way but maybe it shows a Democrat party out of touch with their grass roots namely blue collar workers.


    As an outsider I’ve never seen any good reason to vote Trump- but many in America do and that’s all that counts-

    “The Democrat supporters on here will have you believe it’s no contest….”


    I’ve never listened to them nor have I read 95% of the reams of text they pasted and wrote - the only thing that mattered throughout was polls and performance of both candidates - Harris certainly grew in stature throughout - overall there’s little to fault her - her vagueness on some questions asked didn’t help her at times and likely sowed doubt in some undecided but now I think she’s found her voice a lot more.

    It’s clear Europe could do without Trump for another 4 years and I’d be in agreement with that - but America is not Europe and they appear to have a different view. I think Harris will either landslide it or lose - I don’t see a “draw” here - I hope that the support for Trump throughout was merely due to the entertainment value he gave and nothing else but it’s America so you can’t discount him at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Absolutely not true. One state can determine a presidential election. A handful of ballot boxes could determine the college votes of a state.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    if its not a significant problem, is it a problem?

    personally i think everyone should require an ID to vote.

    what certain groups do you think are incapable of getting an ID?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    1 more sleep till the sh1tshow gets under way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So your position is that the polls slightly over emphasised the 2022 election towards the GOP, that the same is happening here!

    Dare I say you will have egg on your face.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And the only instance you can point to is 75 years ago? In a scenario where there's any closeness of votes, every single vote is physically counted and cross checked. So success is incredibly unlikely and it would have to be attempted on a much larger scale than that.

    To use an example, over multiple elections in Ohio, 630 cases of potential fraud were referred on. In 2020, across the six swing states, 475 votes were referred on as potentially fraudulent. That was out of 25 million votes. So the systems for catching fraud actually work so doing it at scale gets caught realistically. These cases also don't involve collusion, it's just individuals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭McFly85



    I hope he’s right! Trump has certainly been behaving like it’s not going well for him. Not long to wait now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I never understood the position that you cannot or should not be asked for ID to vote.

    We require it in Ireland and it’s NEVER an issue, but apparently if you require it in New York, you are trying to suppress democracy.


    In my view, it’s just a way to try and cheat legally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'll go on the record here and say Merchan will give Trump a custodial sentence. If not just got the charges he was found guilty of, but for his behaviour in and out of the court.

    Trump of course will be using every delay tactic in the book, so I don't know if he'll live long enough to serve his time. There's always the outside chance he runs away to Russia or Dubai as well. I would not put it past him or any of his cronies.

    The only reason Trump can delay and keep delaying is that he is wealthy and that he can afford the lawyers. If you agree with that sentiment, you are in favour of a two tier court system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Is that just some sort of personal view statement or has he backed it up with anything.

    I know Harris camp came out this weekend with a positive upbeat sounding outlook- I don’t think they would have done that if they weren’t confident but risky all the same- they can’t afford apathy on the day if voting and lord knows they’ve been here before in 2016



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Do you believe countries that require ID like Ireland, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, etc, etc, etc, do so to make it more difficult for certain groups of people to vote?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭circadian


    How many Mooches until we start getting the first results?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,014 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Destiny and Gavin Mcinnes having a most cordial (/s) debate centering around the forthcoming US election.

    This is more if you like watching people tearing into each other. About 15 percent of this is Mcinnes telling Destiny that he's a cuckold who needs to get out more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I couldn’t agree more, yet according to a previous poster, Republicans are more likely to commit voter fraud than democrats despite Democrat politicians banning voter id requirements.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,378 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I don't think you are paying close enough attention,.

    New York does have some voter ID requirements detailed here:
    Registered voters do not need to show ID to vote, unless they did not provide identification with their registration. First time voters must provide identification either on or with their voter registration application
    https://vote.nyc/page/voter-id

    Look at the list you provided for Ireland. Most of them would be ineligible under the Republican proposals.
    It is not about preventing voter fraud, it is a deliberate Republican strategy to disenfranchise eligible voters.
    And there is simply no credible evidence to justify it.

    What the Republicans are looking for is:

    A new ID requirement so restrictive that could disenfranchise untold numbers of otherwise eligible Americans this November. The bill, sponsored by Texas Representative Chip Roy and championed by House Speaker Mike Johnson, would go further than any previous voter ID measure. It would require everyone to produce “documentable” proof of their US citizenship before casting a ballot in a federal election. In most instances, that would mean presenting a certified birth certificate (not a photocopy) or an unexpired US passport.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-06-08/house-republicans-push-legislation-to-stop-noncitizens-from-voting

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The question should be really, would they support the abolition of any requirement of ID to vote in Ireland.

    Indeed would he go so far as CA where it’s illegal to even ask for ID?

    I doubt it.

    Which is ironic. Irish guy refuses to play by his own rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,680 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I agree that he has broken pretty much every rule of being on bail, and been allowed to get away with it. I don't think his base will recognise this, and will protest any eventual reckoning, I have no doubt that there will be a reckoning. Unless he wins, which is looking increasingly doubtful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Who said I support that GOP bill?

    I think the theory of requiring an ID to vote is a sound one and one could have many forms of ID.

    If the GOP are making it too restrictive, I would not support that, but at the same time the Democrats seem to be going to the extreme opposite.

    One can and should call out BOTH



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    when it’s a “dictatorship” of the majority over the minority, it’s actually called democracy

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    One can and should call out BOTH

    And yet you're not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Screenshot 2024-11-04 095018.jpg

    This is Selzer's previous predictions versus the actual result, She's far more accurate than others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,378 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's a thread discussing voter ID in the US, the GOP bill is entirely relevant as it shows how the Republicans are seeking to use the issue not out of genuine concern for voter fraud but to disenfranchise.
    A discussion of voter ID in the US which doesn't mention that Republican agenda is ignoring the elephant in the room.

    And California has some voter ID requirements also, similar to the ones listed for New York.

    Again there is no credible evidence of any significant voter fraud.

    So no, I'm not going to call out both. I'm going to call out Republicans for using the issue as an anti-democratic (small d) political weapon. There's only one side trying to suppress democracy here.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Ususlly his view is informed by talking to his contacts in both campaigns, so I wouldn’t say it’s just a personal view - but I wouldn’t be putting money down!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,274 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I see Rory Stewart (ex-Tory MP) making the point that US pollsters are terrified of predicting one winner or the other for fear of getting it wrong - hence all their 'it's too close to call' and 'it's within the margin of error' guff. He reckons Harris is ahead and will win fairly comfortably.

    He does make a good point. Pollsters saying 'we can't predict the winner' are beyond useless and redundant, they may as well not be there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




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    You keep asking these silly hyperbolic questions and demanding answers while dodging questions you are asked.

    No I don't believe that.

    Do you believe that voter fraud was a significant factor in the 2020 presidential election? Do you believe that it is a factor in this election?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    What is Rory basing his opinion on?

    Wet finger in the air?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Laws that make it illegal to even ask for Voter ID should be called out



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