2024 F1 General Discussion Thread

telemetry showed Norris was not making that corner

According to whom? Oh, Horner? Hardly a reliable source.

You have eyes, go back and watch, Norris clearly makes the corner before being shoved off.

Lando in Austin ..leaving the track and gaining an advantage 5 sec

Max a week later leaving the track and gaining an advantage 10 sec

Will you relax, i said he had Sainz at the apex and had to avoid him not that he beat sainz to the apex. Palmer said Verstappen would have beaten Norris to the apex only for sainz was on it, sounds like he did nothing wrong in the lead up to that corner. Norris stayed in it on the outside going too fast. Verstappen avoids contact with Sainz, and slows enough to stay on track and make both corners. Norris goes off track, gets ahead and stays ahead.

You think Horners data was false? Anyone would be able to challenge that then.

Probably should all be back in the race thread so leaving it at that.

Verstappen forced Lando out because he went off himself and Lando had no opportunity to give that place back at all ?

That's an incredibly odd interpretation. Nowhere does it state Lando had no opportunity to give the place back. He should have and that's why he was given a penalty (ultimately). He was deemed to have left the track and gained an advantage. However, the reason for leaving the track was taken into account in that Lando had committed to the overtake but due to Max's incredibly late breaking, Lando had no other option but to leave the track. It takes the circumstances into account.

There are very clear and obvious differences between the two scenarios. You might disagree with the FIA's thought process but it is not a demonstration of inconsistent stewarding.

Horners statement is false. Telemetry cannot tell you if someone is or is not going to stay on track. Its just data to be interpreted. Eyes can be a pretty good judge. Watch it back, pretty darn clear Norris made the corner, was ahead at the apex, and was entitled to space. Its a slam dunk penalty.

Pretty obvious Horner is biased in his statements and him stating Norris wouldn't have made it proves nothing. I'm sure Zak would say Norris would have made it if asked, again, proves nothing.

https://www.planetf1.com/features/max-verstappen-telemetry-data-shows-he-fell-into-own-trap-twice

Porridge pisser must have been Oscar Piastri.

So max can seal the deal in Vegas

I believe I read if he finished within 2 points of Norris in Vegas he wins it.

To be fair that was some drive by verstappen to come through from 17th with no DRS. Just seemed to have so much confidence in the car when loads of others were sliding off. Dont think its fair of Lando to say the win was down to luck and not good driving. He was lucky aswell only to get a 5000 fine for the restart.

But in the grand scheme of things it really doesn’t matter

Might make a difference in the constructors tho. While McClaren are ahead, its not insurmountable.

Unbelievable race from Max. Poor from Lando and a bit unlucky but I think Max wins the race even if Norris doesn't pit just before the red flag.

That's pretty much it for the championship.

I was supporting Lando but can't really begrudge Max. He's been very good all season. And yesterday he did as much as he could and was having a great race, even if he was lucky in how it turned out with the red flag and getting a free pitstop.

I was relying on all the luck going Lando's way to pinch the championship so it wasn't likely. Looking forward to next year.

Gandalf said it best. "There never was much hope, just a fool's hope."

I wouldn't have thought so, considering both Russell and Lando both thought he'd have won regardless also. He was in a league of his own yesterday, and he would have dealt with each car eventually.

Sure poor oul Lando could barely keep in on the track at restarts so he wouldn't have had to worry about him anyway. Hew as always getting by Gasly and Ocon and Russell wouldn't have held him up for too long

Oh yeah, that's absolutely not how it works.

The pitstop gave him track position over the fast cars ahead. I doubt he would have won the race without the free pitstop. Not really the point though.

I think they should leave the full wets at home because it seems they can no longer use them. As soon as it gets wet enough for them, its nowadays no longer safer to run. Its quite annoying and really takes away the benefit of taking an early chance onto the wets as its a gamble you can rarely win….. you go onto wets and if it gets wetter, race is stopped. If rain reduces at all, you are on the wrong tyre.