2024 F1 General Discussion Thread

Its controversial because it's 10s for Max and nobody else. It's 10 seconds for the first "offence" even without contact. Watch the other instances of other drivers getting away with it.

It's the inconsistency that people are giving out about. Even Russel has come out and said they need full time stewarding to reduce inconsistencies.

Explain the other instances where there was no contact, drivers going off track and not receiving a 10 second penalty.

Absolute nonsense request.

if its only an issue with verstappen fans as you claim then why has it triggered the director of the GPDA to call for changes to be made to allow for more consistent stewarding.

All the facts go against your claims.

I like Max, but those penalties last week were absolutely deserved.

The 2nd incident at turn 8 was particularly reckless and all the data and telemetry supports that.

Arguing otherwise or trying to deflect onto other incidents just makes you sound unreasonable.

telemetry showed Norris was not making that corner

According to whom? Oh, Horner? Hardly a reliable source.

You have eyes, go back and watch, Norris clearly makes the corner before being shoved off.

Lando in Austin ..leaving the track and gaining an advantage 5 sec

Max a week later leaving the track and gaining an advantage 10 sec

Will you relax, i said he had Sainz at the apex and had to avoid him not that he beat sainz to the apex. Palmer said Verstappen would have beaten Norris to the apex only for sainz was on it, sounds like he did nothing wrong in the lead up to that corner. Norris stayed in it on the outside going too fast. Verstappen avoids contact with Sainz, and slows enough to stay on track and make both corners. Norris goes off track, gets ahead and stays ahead.

You think Horners data was false? Anyone would be able to challenge that then.

Probably should all be back in the race thread so leaving it at that.

Verstappen forced Lando out because he went off himself and Lando had no opportunity to give that place back at all ?

That's an incredibly odd interpretation. Nowhere does it state Lando had no opportunity to give the place back. He should have and that's why he was given a penalty (ultimately). He was deemed to have left the track and gained an advantage. However, the reason for leaving the track was taken into account in that Lando had committed to the overtake but due to Max's incredibly late breaking, Lando had no other option but to leave the track. It takes the circumstances into account.

There are very clear and obvious differences between the two scenarios. You might disagree with the FIA's thought process but it is not a demonstration of inconsistent stewarding.

Horners statement is false. Telemetry cannot tell you if someone is or is not going to stay on track. Its just data to be interpreted. Eyes can be a pretty good judge. Watch it back, pretty darn clear Norris made the corner, was ahead at the apex, and was entitled to space. Its a slam dunk penalty.

Pretty obvious Horner is biased in his statements and him stating Norris wouldn't have made it proves nothing. I'm sure Zak would say Norris would have made it if asked, again, proves nothing.

https://www.planetf1.com/features/max-verstappen-telemetry-data-shows-he-fell-into-own-trap-twice

Porridge pisser must have been Oscar Piastri.

So max can seal the deal in Vegas

I believe I read if he finished within 2 points of Norris in Vegas he wins it.

To be fair that was some drive by verstappen to come through from 17th with no DRS. Just seemed to have so much confidence in the car when loads of others were sliding off. Dont think its fair of Lando to say the win was down to luck and not good driving. He was lucky aswell only to get a 5000 fine for the restart.

But in the grand scheme of things it really doesn’t matter

Might make a difference in the constructors tho. While McClaren are ahead, its not insurmountable.

Unbelievable race from Max. Poor from Lando and a bit unlucky but I think Max wins the race even if Norris doesn't pit just before the red flag.

That's pretty much it for the championship.

I was supporting Lando but can't really begrudge Max. He's been very good all season. And yesterday he did as much as he could and was having a great race, even if he was lucky in how it turned out with the red flag and getting a free pitstop.

I was relying on all the luck going Lando's way to pinch the championship so it wasn't likely. Looking forward to next year.