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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,170 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Weird comment. Western hardware obliterated the conventional and relatively powerful Iraqi army in Desert Storm and again in 2003.

    In 1991 the Iraqi military was far more powerful than the Iranian military is relative to today.

    Insurgency is a completely different thing. Here we are talking about a conventional long range war between two functioning states - Israel and Iran. Insurgency does not come into it at all.

    Israel has a cutting edge air force and air defense system. Iran has neither of those things, in fact it has absolutely nothing even vaguely comparable. Just missiles and a heavy reliance on proxies for deterrence.

    So yes in a conventional war Israel holds the upper hand massively. It doesn't mean Iran can't cause some damage but I'd give a snowball a better chance in an oven than Iran gaining any kind of edge over Israel in a conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss


    Mod Edit: Poster warned for breach of Forum Charter - offensive post content removed

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Nethanyu has no real interest in returning the hostages. He wants to stay in power and avoid jail.

    You talk about other people not getting things , yet you don't seem to realise you cannot eradicate an ideology through military might alone. Military might may provide a short term fix, but it will not give Israel peace and security long term- especially if the plan is to re occupy parts of Gaza. Although Likud don't want peaceful co existence if it interferes with their greater Israel project. The rapid expansion of settlements in the West Bank in recent times is clear evidence of the fact it doesn't matter what the Palestinians do nothing will stop the project.

    If you were capable of being unbiased you would acknowledge both Likud and Hamas have to go if there is any prospect for peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,664 ✭✭✭brickster69


    And who in 2000 would of believed the US and royal navy would go into the Red sea to protect international shipping and both those countries commercial shipping fleets would end up being forced to go around Africa because a bunch of Houthi's stepped in to prevent a genocide.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭combat14


    agh Iran the wonderful country that loves to torment its women

    Iran arrests female student who stripped to protest harassment

    Student reportedly injured during arrest, with ‘blood stains’ seen on the car’s tyres

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-arrest-student-protest-hijab-b2640469.html

    Post edited by combat14 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Can't destroy an ideology? Well you're about to see that in northern Gaza.

    It'll be the same story for the Palestinians. Each time they fight a war, they lose a bit more territory. They refuse to accept the loss, start a new war and lose even more territory. It's a perpetual cycle.

    Catastrophic leadership will continue to lead to loss and misery for ordinary Palestinians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,713 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    The same Taliban beat the USSR on home turf . No-one has beat the Taliban . Not the Brits , soviets or Americans in years of war despite the superiority of arms . Iran is no Aganistan .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    But also Israel and the US have shown no inclination to actually occupy Iran so it's all mindless speculation. The comparison is not there. Would only happen if Iran attacked the USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,664 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Israel is a cockpit army of pilots who are stuck in the past and just capable to drop bombs. Countries do not need planes or a navy anymore, all they need is thousands of missiles that can be dropped anywhere they want whenever they want.

    Aircraft carriers and things like that died at the battle of midway, now one missile can hit the deck of one at such a speed it probably goes straight through and hits the bottom of the ocean. All they are is a big floating target in the middle of the sea.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's rather inconvenient then for Israel that every bit of land they have taken from the Palestinians since 1967 is illegal.

    You don't "lose" territory in a war. The Palestinians have rights.

    Catastrophic leadership in Israel will lead to misery and shame for Israel as they will always be known for perpetrating Genocide in Gaza and become a Pariah.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    In a war, Irans missiles would be depleted very fast and won't be able to be replaced. They would have little left after a few days.

    Getting the missiles fired off would not be as easy with Israeli and maybe US warplanes in the Iranian skies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss


    Launch them all at once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Israel are attacking Syria now ??

    How many countries peoples does Israel want to kill… Palestine , Lebanon , Iran , Syria … the list is endless …. Is it any wonder so many people hate Israel probably the most hated nation ever on the planet !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,017 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    each time they don't fight a war, they still lose the same amount of territory, so your claims are bogus.

    israel is a genocidal, racist, apartheid, greedy, spoiled, self-entitled state which exists off the american tax payer's backs.

    who just want more and more land cause a book said something, their proxies in hamas simply existing to insure no viable palestinian state can exist.

    nobody is buying the israel is under existential threat/they have to steal land for security/whatever other excuses are thrown out.

    the people have woken up, it's just western politicians apart from here in ireland, who are still keeping all of this going dispite having hardly any support.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    When you start a war of aggression against a country. You take civilians hostage, you rape and murder your way across their territory, you don't then get to hide behind international law when things start going wrong for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭combat14


    israel doesnt want to kill anyone its not its fault its surrounded by a bunch of fanatic terrorists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,427 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    bunch of Houthi's stepped in to prevent a genocide.

    Fooking heroes aren't they. Definitely popped in to prevent genocide.

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Since 1967, Israel has been illegally settling land that does not belong to them.

    Since 1967, Israel has been interring Palestinians without charge, raping them and killing them. Every single year.

    So far, in this conflict, Israel has killed over 43,000 civilians and wounded over 100,000.

    Israel will not get to hide behind international law - the ICC and the ICJ will have their say.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Ask the Israeli pilots from the "attack" on Iran why they couldn't proceed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel is before the ICJ for Genocide. Gallant and Netanyahu are under investigation by the ICC for war crimes.

    The evidence points towards Israel being well within its comfort zone when killing people - mostly civilians.

    It's being doing it for years.

    Israel is a terrorist state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    All Israel is doing in Northern Gaza is ensuring Hamas or a variant of it will have plenty of recruits into the future. As I said you can rarely defeat an ideology militarily. It doesn't matter what leadership the Palestinians have the Israeli right as long as it is in power will continue to make life miserable for Palestinians through occupation. Likud have no interest in a two state solution.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    There is no doubt that herding the Palestinians into smaller and smaller land will result in even more resistance. I get the Israelis are blinded somewhat by religion but why people thousands of miles away who are not Jewish believe there will be no negative consequences for the Israelis taking more land from the Palestinians, I just can't understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,664 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Well, someone has to do something, they seem to be the only one to actually do anything. Meanwhile the " rules based order " are giving standing ovations in congress to a raving lunatic, sending arms, refusing to put sanctions on a country which is viewed as a global pariah by 90% of the planet, rolling out the red carpet for them to perform in Eurovision and then cheering them on at the Olympics.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Hasen't Israel always hidden behind the Yanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Only if the US is directly involved. Western hardware didn’t win in Ukraine.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Were the crew of USS Liberty a bunch of fanatic terrorists?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    But enough about the creation of Israel in 1948, how about the murder of 20,000 children in Gaza?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    A war between Israel and Iran would be very different. There would be no ground battles, no meat attacks, no tank battles. It would be an air and missile war only. That would be all about hardware.



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