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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,538 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'd say for most people, nothing has happened in the past month or so which would change people's votes. However what could also be happening is that many of the undecideds (who may not have been counted in straight 1v1 polling reports) have now picked a side and so they're effecting the change in the results. They may have already been leaning in one direction a month ago, but with nothing major having happened in the past month, they've likely now definitively picked a side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,015 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Not sure what you're talking about, here. Wasn't abortion cited as the reason that the Republican 'red wave' failed in 2022? That it mobilised women voters? Isn't it a political issue which massively taints the Republican party?

    I think there are even worse factors to possibly lose the election for Trump like that time he spread a massive lie about the 2020 election on no evidence, and riled his supporters to go invade the US Capitol, but apparently US voters haven't long memories and only care about the here and now, and the here and now says that Trump is hamstrung by one hell of a nationally unpopular policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Tied polls suit both sides - the Republicans so they can claim the election was stolen obviously- and the Dems to limit voter apathy.

    Theres a conspiracy theory there in the making somewhere 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I honestly have a strong suspicion polling overcompensates for Trump based on an assumption of silent Trump voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    Yeah certainly possible too - the % of undecided was not at all small - weren’t some predictions up at 11-2% at some stage, I just can’t recall - that would certainly create a landslide if the majority went one way



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    It also suits media companies. Tied polls keeps audiences/readers engaged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    That's IMHO why no reputable pollster has presented any poll that puts the race outside of a tie but caveats that tie with MoE's of between 3-5%

    If all the pollsters are reporting the same range of support and there is a landslide one way or the other? It feeds into a hidden vote narrative rather than poor statistical sampling and controls. It means one doesn't run the risk of ostracised next election cycle for publishing data that goes against the mean.

    Polling methodology and sample selection bias, both in terms of non-responses not being appropriately weighted and the weighting afforded to those that do reply are all in need of drastic overhaul and have been for more than a decade.

    Pollsters need to engage more people and do so on a far broader basis than is currently the case stateside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    IF the polls are changing and showing Harris with a lead it's because Trump shelved his campaign team and surrounded himself with absolute ghouls and continued to go full fascist maniac.

    I watched about 15 minutes of one of his rallies live last night, absolute unhinged nonsense, 'they are going to take your children and turn them trans' and such lunacy.

    IF the polling data is correct and stays firm It will be tight in States but it looks like Harris could take the EC by a landslide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It’s head wrecking stuff isn’t it? I mean a “rational ” person would say more voters likely to be secret Harris supporters over abortion - but yeah, maybe there’s a cohort out there too embarrassed to admit they’d vote for Trump - we’ve seen some Muslims say they’ll “puke” first but they’re voting Trump - but given this is 2024 not 2016, I’m not sure building in a silent Trump voter ship is that wise -but I’d love to know have they built in a silent Harris vote coming from the female Reps- if they have, then it will be microns close



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    It is unhinged nonsense but it sounds like tired unhinged nonsense, just the same old lines and grievances. In the closing stages of the 2016 campaign he was electric.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Iowa's lost a large amount of women's health support. Lots of their OBGYN's have left. It's impacting cancer treatment in the state. Apparently Iowa is 51th in OBGYN per capita (versus the other states and DC.) Considering Iowa's population is only 3.2 million (way less than Ireland for comparison) and it's population density is 36 per sq.m. (Ireland 198), it gives you an idea of the sorry state of women's health care there since Dobbs.

    But, this is what the GOP wanted, the people of Iowa reliably vote Republican, they voted for Trump and why Mitch McConnell delayed Garland's vote on the SCOTUS.

    If they flip to Harris this time, that'll be nice, but I doubt it lasts. And, the problems will still exist for women there for a long time. Now, Iowa could amend its constitution like other states have done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    Maybe this explains the polls right now and maybe it doesn’t - I don’t think anyone has a real clue - looks like there will be yet again more adjustment to how polls are done post this election that’s for sure:


    “This near-monolithic picture, emerging from multiple polls, has triggered suspicions among some analysts of “herding” around state poll averages by pollsters cautious of being proved wrong for the third time running after significantly underestimating Trump’s support in 2016 and 2020.”

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/02/what-polls-mean-so-far-trump-harris-election-voters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,838 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Mentioning a fictional insane character 9 times, insane asylums twice and a golfers ability to produce good progeny [it's in the family] does tend to show where Trump's mind and memory may be at. Its the second reference to golfers tackle he's made in 2 weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    In the closing stages of the 2016 campaign he was electric.

    For the last 11 days in 2016 he actually toned down the lunacy on both Twitter and in person.

    He didn't in 2019 and sure as hell isn't now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    He’s definitely extremely weak “sounding” in 2024 compared to either 2016 or 2020 in terms of what he says- definitely a sense of having to shout louder and say more extreme things in order to be heard and stay in the news and on social media - that’s not a good sign at all and hints at desperation regardless of what he’s facing if he loses this election .

    Saying all of that Harris campaign stalled throughout this election - they too have been pulling out all the stops with celebrity endorsements etc over the last month so the desperation for votes is clearly on both sides - Harris though has improved as a speaker in recent times in contrast to Trump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,028 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I read this online...

    "Man, I gotta tell ya. All you super masculine alpha guys voting Trump.

    This campaign Trump has ran this election cycle has been the gayest campaign I've ever seen.

    Here you got a guy wearing pounds of makeup. Dancing like he's jacking off 2 invisible giraffes while listening to Y.M.C.A. Relishing in the memory of the time he was graced with the presence of Arnold palmer's porno c*ck and just last night he was stroking his mic stand while mimicking a blow job.

    Gayest campaign ever."

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    It’s clearly a racist influenced argument around genetics - it’s not even as “thinly veiled” as it might once have been. American white population is on the decline - he’s not going to pass up the chance to bring in this analogy given every single vote counts at this stage



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,553 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    For all Trump’s innumerable character faults - the weaponised bigotry, the authoritarian tendencies, the vindictive pettiness and arrogance - perhaps the most consistent is how utterly boring the man is. Listen to him for any amount of time and it’d cure anyone’s insomnia. Rambling, repetitive, nonsensical.

    Of course even his supporters leave mid-speech. He’s a profoundly uninteresting and in many ways actively terrible public speaker beyond a handful of slogans and applause lines. It’s perhaps the single feature that makes the enthusiasm of his supporters unfathomable to me. Who’d go out of their way to listen to the man speak?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,200 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If this poll is correct then Trump is in deep trouble

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/02/politics/iowa-poll-harris-trump/index.html

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,682 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    There was one particularly funny moment in that half-empty arena video - a large guy on the end of a row, slumped in his seat, apparently miles away, when Trump said one of the trigger words and the guy lethargically lifted his sign for a second or two before letting it fall again. So obviously not listening and on autopilot.

    Many of the audience were half asleep, head on their partner's shoulder, yawning, playing with phones etc. Why on earth do they go, they must know at this stage there is nothing new?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Just me or have the more active Trump supporters gone silent again after that Iowa poll? 😂 I'm guessing they won't be commenting on the Epstein tapes either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    BBC panorama followed his “acolytes” - essentially his front row cheer leaders - male and female- as they arrived the night before a rally and slept in their cars (they’re not at all wealthy) - many were former factory working democrat voters now retired or unemployed - none of it makes sense to an outsider but on the ground it’s a right little community and these people feel they’re a part of something great - very difficult for someone 1000s of miles away in a different country to fully “understand” what’s going on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The Iowa poll seems to be generating headlines but even Nate Silver admits that is ‘probably wrong’

    Other polls have given Trump a +9 in Iowa

    Also, recent polls by Atlas Intel who are some of the best out there is giving Trump leads in all the battleground states.

    538 and Nate Silver is still giving this election marginally to Trump.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭circadian


    I think a lot of the polls have weighting based on data collected when Biden was still in the running and have the supposed R +2 baked in because of 2016. The reality is, when turnout is low then Republicans tend to win. Looking at the state turnouts between 2008-2020 you can see when certain states go over a certain turnout it's almost certainly blue;

    Michigan - 66%+

    Pennsylvania - 62%+

    Arizona - 50%+

    Georgia - 60%+

    Wisconsin - 70%+

    North Carolina - 69%+

    Iowa is an outlier here as it consistently ranks as one of the top 5 (except 10th in 2020) states and tends to swing between Democrat and Republican regardless of turnout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭circadian


    Quoting myself, still prepared for hat eating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I can’t see that happening.

    Arizona in particular has gone red, and NC and GA look to be firmly in the Trump camp.

    The polls have to be seriously underestimating the Harris vote for that to be true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    My wife and I were watching Jordan Kleppers last, "Finger on the Pulse", and it was rather good. Could be the bones for a very good feature length documentary.

    Basically Klepper accompanied Harris Supporters to different Trump Rallies, and he accompanied one Trump supporter to a Harris Rally.

    It could have been interesting to do the same with a few actual undecided voters.

    By the end, you really get the feeling that the MAGA guys quite often just want a sense of belonging to a community. That's all they're after at this stage. They get a kick out of seeing their friends. Like deadheads of old.

    I'm obviously biased, but I found the ending pretty sad.



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