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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I see Brian Stanley is still coming out fighting

    Good for him, as he says himself he wa treated “appallingly”

    This will rumble on even if SF try to kill it

    As I have said all along and he agrees, this should have been sent to the Gardai immediately, SF and their cover up tactics and kangaroo courts should have been shut down years ago

    Same shady dodgy dealing from a party that nobody should trust


    Well apart from Paddy who we have yet to find out what he is getting in return



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    When it's going bad, for them, SF always double down on the United Ireland rhetoric. The single issue they feel they own - which they don't.

    It's akin to your drunk uncle's bad party piece at a wedding, entertaining when you were immature but getting a small bit tired and tedious now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Using emotive terminology he knows the anti SFers of this world will revel in is not a great look tbh.

    If the shinners had found him innocent they would have been doing the fandango on the high moral ground too.

    Post edited by FrancieBrady on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,784 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    No, Northern Ireland was, and still is, part of the United Kingdom.

    They were Irish but not residents of the independent state of the Republic of Ireland. They were welcome to move down here if they wanted to be part of the Republic.

    Nobody wanted to have anything to do with the despicable acts being carried out up there, mostly by the IRA.

    SF were intrinsically linked with the IRA. They have never denounced their actions or apologised for their involvement. So we have to view this party as still linked to paramilitary activity. If you are supporting SF you are either a despicable human or just clueless. It's that simple. There's no way anybody who cares about lives could support that party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,578 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    To be fair, he was the one who was threatened with bribery or whatever you'd call it, and this happened months before any complaint was submitted. If it was to go to the Gardaí it should have been on him immediately to do so.

    It's obvious he was following the usual sinn fein, look after ourselves approach until he decided to leave the party. Then he's all for transparency.

    He was treated poorly by the party, but he's not innocent either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    To be fair nothing

    He went to the party, they should have contacted the Garda



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,784 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If you call expecting an apology and denouncing everything that happened down through the years as hindsighting I think you'll find in you are in a very small minority.

    This party cannot be supported so long as they continue on as if everything that happened was fine and they bear no responsibility for the killings of innocent people, especially young children. Almost every leader of SF was an IRA member.

    Do you know how many children the IRA killed?

    And SF refuse to denounce and apologise for that. So this is the same old SF that we have seen down through the years. How can you trust a party which was full of IRA members throughout it's history? How can you believe they've changed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Posters not researched properly is a feature of these threads.

    IRA says sorry for 30 years of 'civilian' deaths | UK news | The Guardian

    I signed up to the GFA which required those involved to get involved in democratic politics. There was no agreement that required them to disappear which seems to be the one you signed.

    P,S, You do know the British Army killed nearly 40 children that we know about? ANd the majority never got inquiries never mind punishment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,578 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Why? Sinn fein weren't been threatened. Brian Stanley was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Gardai have even said this. 'SF have no standing' in it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭pureza


    Because BS has put Repubicanism first by not taking the complaint to the Gardaí himself as the person of standing and because the lady complainant has been exposed as an extortionist?

    Talki about airing dirty linen unnecessarily ,you’d have to question the competency of leadership here wouldn’t you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Or BS didn't want the first complaint to surface? Once he realised he was gpoing to be found guilty of gross misconduct he decided to get his retaliation in first by bolting.

    Or perhaps (from what we know) the fact the blackmail attempt stopped as abruptly as it started, taking a case may not have been likely to succeed and it all would have been become public un-necessarily. He is after all talking to the Gardai now when there is nothing more to lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,504 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    This is why nobody takes you seriously, trying to put Simon Harris and FG on the same level of Trump and American republicans/conservatives is absurd when FG are comparably to the left of American democrats.

    With SF and the Irish left it always comes back to either "you support us 100% or you are against us 100%" and therefore are exactly the same as one of the worst individuals in the world, the world is black and white and grey is impossible with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    So why did they go to the Garda after BS went to the press?

    you can go around in circles here but day one SF should have went to the Garda and recommended BS to do the same. They didn't, instead done the usual SF carry on.

    All the better they continue to do this and remind everyone what they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭pureza


    That's a not a credible analysis

    Of course BS did not want the allegations on either side to surface as a man of 40 years standing in SF and Republicanism
    he didn’t reveal the exact nature of what was behind all this

    He was píssed off and rightly so and left SF to explain the mess

    Served them right tbh,because the whole thing looks incompetently handled,Imagine píssing off your most senior T.D like this and now to have the rest of your front bench doing him down along with the other messes going on

    New politics I suppose ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The 'can't win whatever they did' syndrome all over that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭pureza


    After the fact yes

    But before the fact,bad management,extremely bad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So what should they have done to manage it properly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Ironic given that you compared the left to Trump. Maybe that'd why no takes you seriously? The fact is Trump has blamed American problems on immigrants. Simon Harris has done the same in Ireland. As I said, they'd have great chats about that if they met in person.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭pureza


    A little bit of cop on and dismiss the whole thing once they knew she had tried extortion tbh

    None of it having come out the way it did looks good

    It’s done now and can’t be undone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So you don't accept the complainant's story that she reacted out of shock and trauma?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,504 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Show me exactly where ive compared the left to trump? My comment of "and therefore are exactly the same as one of the worst individuals in the world" was mocking your own stance of aligning harris with trump which again is absurd and why nobody can take you seriously.

    Harris comments were badly worded and poorly timed but come nowhere close to the nonsense trump has scapegoated immigrants for. Ohh look what I did!!! I mildly criticised someone from FG and their leader no less….. we will never see that from the likes of you and SF though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭pureza


    I didn’t comment on the validity of the complaint at all but see’ing as you asked,her credibility was shot in my eyes once she admitted the extortion attempt

    All immaterial though,utterly badly handled



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    The comparison to SF and Trump. SF are a left wing party, and have nothing in common with Trump.

    Harris and Trump have blamed immigrants for the problems in their country. That's a fact. I never claimed Harris has gone to the lengths Trump has, but again the fact is, Harris has blamed immigrants for the problems Ireland are facing.

    I've criticised SF and MLMD plenty of times. Reporting the BS allegation to the Garda for example, was and is a ridiculous waste of their time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,578 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    2 reasons I see. The first was to ensure their members would get a few days reprieve from having to speak openly on this issue "oh I couldn't comment, it's with the gardai". Secondly just to muddy the waters around Stanley as a whole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ffs, You did comment on it's 'validity'.
    Her reaction to the shock rules out any wrongdoing by Stanley and SF should have forgotten it, is your opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Where as letting a senior TD do whatever he likes becuase he's senior and important is a better approach? Old politics the FFG way I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,784 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    "While it was not our intention to injure or kill non-combatants, the reality is that on this and on a number of other occasions that was the consequence of our actions."

    That doesn't sound like an apology for the murder of innocent people to me. It's explained away like **** happens.

    There was no denouncement either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    IRA have never apologised, you said. Get shown apology:

    'It's not the apology we wanted'.

    Always predictable.

    Here it is in full lest others be under researched too:

    Full text of Irish Republican Army (IRA) statement of apology
    16 April 2002

     

    "Sunday 21 July marks the 30th anniversary of an IRA operation in Belfast in 1972 which resulted in nine people being killed and many more injured.

    While it was not our intention to injure or kill non-combatants, the reality is that on this and on a number of other occasions, that was the consequence of our actions.

    It is therefore appropriate on the anniversary of this tragic event, that we address all of the deaths and injuries of non-combatants caused by us.

    We offer our sincere apologies and condolences to their families.

    There have been fatalities amongst combatants on all sides. We also acknowledge the grief and pain of their relatives.

    The future will not be found in denying collective failures and mistakes or closing minds and hearts to the plight of those who have been hurt. That includes all of the victims of the conflict, combatants and non-combatants.

    It will not be achieved by creating a hierarchy of victims in which some are deemed more or less worthy than others.

    The process of conflict resolution requires the equal acknowledgement of the grief and loss of others. On this anniversary, we are endeavouring to fulfil this responsibility to those we have hurt.

    The IRA is committed unequivocally to the search for freedom, justice and peace in Ireland.

    We remain totally committed to the peace process and to dealing with the challenges and difficulties which this presents. This includes the acceptance of past mistakes and of the hurt and pain we have caused to others."



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