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General Rugby Discussion 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    "I believe there is also evidence that lowering tackle height to hips and below resulted in more head impacts, as you end up having more contact between head and knee, head and hip etc."

    It's one thing to lower tackle height, and an entirely different thing to have players employ better tackle technique.

    Any player who is used to tackling chest to chest just continues to do so at a reduced height and exposes their head to contact with hips & knees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    8 years today since Axel passed.

    Still hurts.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agreed , but if the focus shifts to a lower more "classic" tackle technique then the risks get reduced.

    Again , it's a behavioural thing that will take time to really filter through , but if kids are introduced to the tackle and the ONLY tackle they are shown is the classic "cheek to cheek" and they aren't coached to try a choke tackle or a higher hit to block the pass then that tackle type goes away and the risks reduces.

    They stop running in for the "old" style tackle and dipping at the last second to lower the contact point , instead they start out with a better technique from the outset.

    There is no instant solution , but good coaching and refereeing over time will enforce the behavioural change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Clegg has posted a link on the Ireland thread re IRFU coming out against the new red card trial. (or the let's pander to the Aussies and NZ law)

    Hopefully other Unions follow the FFR and the IRFU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭TheRona


    Interesting that the statement says that there's no permanent red card for deliberate and intentional acts of foul play. Didn't know this was the case.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭TheRona


    To reply to myself, there is still a permanent red card without replacement for deliberate and dangerous foul play, and the IRFU are in support of this variation, as used in Super Rugby and the Rugby Championship.

    Good to see the IRFU are fully behind pandering to the Aussies and Kiwis 😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    SA squad to play Scotland, England and Wales:

    Springbok squad:

    Props: Thomas du Toit (Bath), Vincent Koch (Sharks), Frans Malherbe (Stormers), Ox Nche (Sharks), Gerhard Steenekamp (Bulls)

    Hookers: Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears), Bongi Mbonambi (Sharks)

    Locks: Eben Etzebeth (Sharks), Franco Mostert (Honda Heat), Ruan Nortje (Bulls), RG Snyman (Leinster)

    Loose forwards: Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz), Siya Kolisi (captain, Sharks), Elrigh Louw (Bulls), Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs), Marco van Staden (Bulls), Jasper Wiese (Urayasu D-Rocks)

    Utility forward: Jan-Hendrik Wessels (Bulls)

    Scrumhalves: Jaden Hendrikse (Sharks), Cobus Reinach (Montpellier), Grant Williams (Sharks)

    Flyhalves: Manie Libbok (Stormers), Handre Pollard (Leicester Tigers)

    Centres: Lukhanyo Am (Sharks), Damian de Allende (Wild Knights), Andre Esterhuizen (Sharks), Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles)

    Outside backs: Kurt-Lee Arendse (Bulls), Aphelele Fassi (Sharks), Cheslin Kolbe (Suntory Sungoliath), Willie le Roux (Bulls), Makazole Mapimpi (Sharks), Canan Moodie (Bulls), Damian Willemse (Stormers)

    11 Sharks

    3 Stormers

    8 Bulls

    12 Overseas based players

    0 Lions



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Not a whole lot of new blood in there at first glance. No young hookers, locks or centres?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Wasnt familiar with Jan-Hendrik Wessels myself, but apparently regular position is hooker or prop, so theres at least 1 young guy there in the mix. Ruan Nortje relatively young lock. But yeah, the whole back line its only Canan Moodie thats young, Kurt-Lee Arendse, Fassi, Willemse and Libbok young-ish.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Ah, of course utility foward means prop/hooker in SA and not lock/blindside :P



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    I was caught the same, figured he was a flanker/back row until I googled him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,481 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Looks like SA are pretty determined to go home with a clean sweep and planning for the future can wait until next year.

    Mapimpi is a head-scratcher, 34 years old and on the fringes of the team, you'd expect him to be pensioned off by now.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,019 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Injured a while, since before rugby championship far as I know.

    Yeah, inured in second test against Ireland in Durban, which now feels like a lifetime ago, but was only in July.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,600 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Scotland squad named.

    Sione Tuipulotu is new captain and Ben Healy has been dropped entirely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭ersatz


    That's tough on Healy, and a cautionary tale. South Africa hoping for a clean sweep is pretty basic, neither Scotland nor Wales have a hope and SAs game should be plenty for England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    He has now withdrawn from the squad due to an injury. He will be replaced by 2 other Bulls players, Hooker Johan Grobbelaar and Prop Wilco Louw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    What is the best site to assess place-kicking? One that takes length, angle etc. into account? The model of shots gained from golf has been mentioned to assess degree of difficulty. One feature I haven’t seen incorporated - footedness. The sector right beside the right touch line must be an easier place for left-footed players? I’d also be curious about drop goals. There seems to be less of an improvement there over the decades and its frequency seems to have declined as well.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I think this is one of the best ones. Not sure if it has what you need

    https://www.goalkickers.co.za/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I am having trouble loading the data. The site still works?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Hmmmmm Damian Willemse injured in the weekend's URC game, so the Sprinboks replace him with Cameron Hanekom, a loose forward from the Bulls. Makes sense.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Ah but now Hendrikse has replaced Malherbe to I guess that evens out… somehow!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Just saw that now and came to post it. Part of Rassie's mind games, keep them guessing, I guess.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,528 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Not that I follow SA rugby closely, but Hanekom seems to have been getting a lot of good press and whenever I've seen him he's been good. Was surprised he wasn't in the original squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    (ex)roommate no longer has access to his parents Sky subscription which we previously used to catch games not on terrestrial TV, so where's the best place to go now, legitimately, to catch as many as the upcoming internationals as possible?

    He still has access to Discovery+ but I don't think you can get the matches on an Ireland account.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Think the autumn internationals are on Amazon Prime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭OldRio


    The Autumn Internationals are all covered on TNT sports. A Now TV sub will do the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Cheers lads. I have Amazon Prime so that'll be my first port of call, otherwise a 1 month sub for Now TV.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    They are on TNT Sports.

    TNT is available through Discovery+ (on a top level tier) in the UK but not in Ireland. Now TV is where you can get a pass.

    They are no longer on Amazon Prime, anywhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Fancy England to get a result today. They were close in both summer games and would expect home advantage to swing it today. Not sure NZ are that much further down the line despite Robertson having had more time to work with them since then.



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