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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Last week, Jeff Bezos said that the WaPo was not endorsing a candidate because newsrooms had become too political. A fair point you might say, but saying it the week before an election smacked as a somewhat political move, why not say it 12 months ago when your objectivity could not be questioned.

    That and the fact that the editors were going to endorse Harris. I don't think that anyone believes that wasn't a factor in his sudden desire for non partisanship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    While I acknowledge WaPos inability to back the candidate of their choosing says something very important about press freedom - at the same time, it's extremely self indulgent of them to think their endorsement actually matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I think specifically in this election, each and every voice, no matter how big or small, matters a great deal

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Let’s get to the real issues here lads. It’s not about insulting US territories or half the electorate. It’s not about threatening democracy or holding fascist rallies.

    I can’t believe no one is talking about the blazer and jeans combo Kamala Harris favours. It’s business casual vibes are really off putting.

    https://x.com/kamalaharris/status/1852219081044230226?s=46&t=KccBiYyFIf5MZKto7OSCBg

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    in much less important news that the jeans, the Economist had endorsed Harris.

    Notorious pinko rag that it is.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Yes but people already consider prices to have already gotten far too expensive, particularly groceries. Telling people prices are still rising albeit a lot more slowly is therefore not a win to be shouting about.

    Inflation wasn't entirely fueled by "events" either. It came about because of expensive non targeted covid measures such as the stimulus checks, issued by both the Trump and Biden administrations.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trump sitting around the pool at Epstains house with a bunch of topless girls on his lap and a suspicious stain on his trousers front.

    Now that's going to hurt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    But yet inflation in the US under Biden is lower than in all other major economies.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,298 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    In fairness I’m not criticising Harris a whole lot- I appreciate the circumstances under which she came to be in this position and I’d blame Biden a whole lot more before I’d blame her.

    I don’t think she’s up against “just” another candidate - there are many people voting for Trump that “hate” Trump

    I think the key criticisms of Harris come down to:

    1. Historically (ie up to 5 or so years ago) she was known for some radical ideas- ban on fracking , Medicare for all etc - she’s had to U turn on fracking , some immigration policies and other areas too- her policy on price-gouging in supermarkets is not popular as it interferes with free market - U turns on anything don’t inspire confidence
    2. She’s inherited most of Bidens polices - in other words she’s not seen as a totally independent thinking candidate - again not her fault per se, but I think this has held her back in putting forward her individuality - something Americans prize in their presidential candidates - it’s led to “accusations” of “we don’t know her well enough” - while these are very flimsy excuses politics is a fickle business - if a voter doesn’t “feel the love” they won’t vote for you
    3. The nature of the campaign issues - yes she’s set out her stall - however, unfortunately while there are good signs of growth in the economy , employment is healthy (8 million jobs can’t be filled I read recently) , prices are still high - if Trump wins he’ll likely see a time in maybe 6 months from now where supermarket prices will have eased giving him “licence” to claim he brought down inflation - it’s a pity the signs of growth and reduced costs such as energy prices haven’t trickled down to the supermarkets quite yet - but we are where we are.
    4. Immigration obviously has become a major talking point too- on one hand America needs more immigrants to do the jobs they don’t want to do - but a selfishness along with stoked up fears has made people say and think things that previously would be unheard of - because your presidential candidate has said disparaging things about immigrants it’s ok to think like that is how I’m reading the situation, bizarre and all as it may be
    5. Voters don’t appear to want to know about the “bad stuff”- whilst Trump has stirred fear, his key messages all along, have been about promising the world - ending x bad thing, starting y good thing - there’s not an ounce of reality in his promises but that doesn’t seem to matter to the people voting for him - and that’s why Harris “policies” are falling on deaf ears- Trump is promising far greater things that dwarf all of that “reality” stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That therefore is a point worth making, although I think it's at a level of nuance above a lot of voters.

    I just think it's not worth highlighting since consumers consider inflation bad tasting anyway. Telling them it's not as bad as it was only reminds them of high prices they still have to endure and that prices aren't falling.

    While deflation is generally bad for an economy, certain sectors have inelastic demand. Since people have to eat and can't postpone purchases, deflation in a sector such as groceries could be a good thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I honestly can't tell if this is a serious post or a poor effort at a wind up

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,626 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He didn't say that though. He'd have been right if he had but he didn't.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's a BS attempt at a windup using faux concern in my view.

    If it was genuine, the poster would refer to the comments at Trump's rally on Sunday also. If all things were correct in their post above (they aren't) and Biden did call half of America Garbage (he didn't) and the poster felt it was inappropriate for such blanket statements, then they would have commented on other blanket statements that were widely broadcast this week as well.

    Also, the fact that if Biden had done what they are suggesting he did (he didn't) then it means they are ignoring Biden clarifying that the comments were misinterpreted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,559 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The "line of dignity" has been pushed back so far by Trump and the GOP that the Dems are the only ones who can actually cross it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,559 ✭✭✭✭Penn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,637 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    their endorsement didn't matter - their non-endorsement mattered. It's effectively an endorsement for Harris/Walz



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,637 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Apparently Convicted Felon Trump didn't get the venue of choice in his NM rally, because he hadn't paid for the last one.

    https://www.salon.com/2024/10/31/unpaid-bills-haunt-halloween-rally-in-albuquerque-leave-campaign-scrambling-for-venue/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Venue difficulties are classic Trump.

    Reminds me of the time he held a conference at the Four Seasons... Total Landscaping



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Deeter got a soft interview, usual downplay of Jan 6 by referring to video of protestors being escorted by police around the capitol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭McFly85


    CNN reporting that he’s around $2 billion in debt.

    Not only does that dispel the claim that he’s a successful businessman, it highlights how susceptible to bribery he would be in the White House.

    He has no scruples to speak of and will happily demolish democracy in the country if it benefits him personally. Hopefully Harris gets in and the chickens come home to roost for Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    this is something I could never understand.

    When it was discovered that Michael Flynn reached out to the Russians, on behalf of Trump, without wishing to disclose it to others, the analysis at the time was that this attempt became a valid blackmail threat issue. The Russians knew something that Trump didn't want to be made known, therefore they had something over him. The discussion was that anyone applying for the FBI/CIA etc would be heavily vetted. If they even had a hint of a gambling or addition issue, any types of skeletons in the closet, they would not be recruited, for that same reason.

    The disclosure of financial records is therefore far more important when it comes to the White House. The mystery around this financial situation has been permitted to linger far too long.


    Everyone else before now has come clean. He, and ANY future President, or member of congress for that matter, should be scrutinised to within an inch of their lives for the same reason.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    All I've seen from the exchange is that if evidence is provided, you'll be a hypocrite about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Is this still unexplainable to you and snake? Or do you just run away for a few hours and regurgitate the same lies hoping nobody will notice?

    Did you enjoy the comedian and thus are offended on his behalf of being called garbage?



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If the Dems get the house I would say it would be high time they introduced a bill which made it and obligation for anyone running for president to release:

    Their tax returns

    Statement of their financial assets

    Their medical records

    Submit to an impartial psychiatrist for a mental assessment

    A security risk assement from the FBI and CIA

    All of this to be released before you can become the party candidate.

    Running a country is to serious a business to become a cult of personality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,436 ✭✭✭circadian


    A failed casino in Atlantic City is all you need to know in relation to his "success".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭McFly85


    And it shouldn’t be controversial to ask for these things, it’s complete common sense.

    But there’ll be several who would consider it a democratic conspiracy before they would face the fact that their preferred candidate isn’t fit for office.



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