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Why are we so fat?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,149 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Here's an idea: if you actually have a lot of muscle, then forget about BMI. It's for the rest of us, not you. That doesn't make it any less useful as a concept.

    The >30 = obese thing is fine for statistical purposes, such as the chart in the first post, since they're using an average of many people. For average non-bodybuilding individuals, there will be some variation according to body type, so there is a grey area around those numbers. How big is the grey area? I don't know, but I think a decent margin is ±1 either way. So 31 = definitely obese, 30 = probably obese, 29 = definitely not obese. If my BMI is 30, and I don't play rugby, I don't need to label myself as obese or not to know that it's still way too high.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,062 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …or maybe we just dont know what to do, to actually truly provide people with their needs, or try to show them how to meet their own needs….

    …maybe theres a problem with the way we produce our foods, and market them….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Would the stresses that people felt during covid have contributed to more people carrying extra weight? There seems to be more overweight people around these days than even 2/3 years ago, I see it in my own circle of family, friends, colleagues and when out and about locally. Many people had very traumatic experiences, lost family members, jobs, businesses and homes, and there was lots of uncertainty about the future.

    Also, many more people WFH and wearing more comfortable (ie less restrictive) clothing which is very forgiving if eating or snacking more. When people are wfh alone, they don't come into regular contact with slimmer colleagues but imo, seeing people on a daily basis who eat properly, exercise, and keep to a healthy weight can encourage and incentivise others to watch their weight. That could be just me though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,861 ✭✭✭yagan


    We know what to do, we have the information.

    Society is choosing to ignore the risks, even though the avoidable health complications increase everyday and adds extra stress on the health system that threats people who have looked after their health.

    Ultimately obese people will fall down the priority list as their obesity is a risk factor for surgery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    This the most recent data I could find. Turns out it's not all fat Culchies and Adonis Dubs, as claimed elsewhere in the thread.

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    Ireland | World Obesity Federation Global Obesity Observatory



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Women I feel the more sorry for tbh. Evil feckers out there promoting the likes of Lizzo and other obese creatures as role models. The whole "it's okay to just be yourself girl" industry that makes buying your weekly groceries in Iceland and getting fast food twice a week feel normal. It's sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,126 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    It doesn’t really matter if you burn 3500kcal a day, if you eat 4000kcal a day you have a caloric surplus of 500kcal.
    Do that over 7 days and that’s 3500 kcal which is (very) roughly a lb of fat.
    Do that for 12 weeks or the 3 months of winter and that’s 12lb of fat added or 5.443KG.

    It’s very very easy to eat 500 more kcal than you burn- it’s all about the correct choices.
    Pick high protein low carb/low sugar yoghurts for example.

    Eat air fryer or grilled chicken breast in a Leinster bun with lettuce and lightest helmans, instead of a mcchicken burger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    There are differences in how different people react to the same. I was talking with my wife and said how I always feel hungry an hour after pasta. I feel physically full, but still hungry. She doesn't experience that at all. So I tried cutting out carbs and doing a kind of keto diet (high fibre, fat and protein with lots of green veg). It was great for me.

    It made me think about the amount of Advertising we see and how much of it is for highly processed carbs and how low fibre most of the foods advertised to us actually are.

    Not telling anyone else what to do, but I found it made a huge difference to me. If we tried choosing the food we eat rather than selecting from what's advertised most heavily, I think we'd be better off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ha. You don't think there are enough fit attractive people on tv? You can't watch an American tv show or movie without the vast majority being thin and fit as fcuk with the teeth, botox and so on. . It's part of the job.

    If lack of tv exposure to thin and fit people was the issue, it would have been solved already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    I said I would not take such an approach with anyone bar a very close relative or a spouse , also that doctors should cut to the chase more often, the PC approach has failed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Plenty of GF food products are processed, I am gluten intolerant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Such is the kind of feelings culture which dominates these days, a lot of people are deep in denial about their weight, they are fed comforting stories about how they are powerless to change things, entire industry built around avoiding the core issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    sugary alcoholic drinks are not the problem, sugar in food and soft drinks is far far bigger problem and root cause of the obesity pandemic. The amount of sugary drinks that are consumed is off the scale.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    making people feel worse about themselves is not going to help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭chalkitdown1


    And not just regular sugary drinks any more, we have this energy drink craze now. It's rare to see a group of teenagers these days where one or two of them doesn't have a can of Monster Energy in their hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    While driving the e-scooter with the other hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,110 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that losing weight requires hard work, hundreths of millions of people have worked hard at losing weight and still failed in the long run so there's a certain point where telling someone they need to lose weight is just been a bad person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭santana75


    Processed food is the big one I reckon. I gave up sugar for lent earlier this year and I was shocked at how quickly the weight fell off me. I wasnt doing it for weight loss as Im pretty lean as it is, so I had to eat a lot of wholefoods to stop the weight loss. And also just to note, I didnt give up fruit, only foods that man makes that have sugar added to them. I still ate a lot of fruit every day but that made no difference to my weight. By the end of the 40 days I saw clearly that foods with sugar added to them, even if they claim to be "Low calorie" are the reason why so many people are overweight. And for whatever reasons, chocolate seems to be the baddest of the bad guys, chocolate will make you fat in no time at all. I think if your diet is composed of mostly wholefoods and very little in the way of anything processed, you would be in great nick. I dont think you'd need to go to the gym and work out at all, a bit of walking every day would do the job, its all about what you eat. I cant emphasize how calorie dense processed foods are, especially those with sugar added(or even sugar in disguise such as Dextrose, syrup). The only way to see the true effects of these foods is to fast from them, give it 40 days, that'd be enough to see what these foods are doing to your body. Fasting is something that is not promoted in this country at all whereas every second street sign is promoting chocolate or fast foods or sugary drinks. One day fasting a week does wonders for your body and mind.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    There is some fool of a lad in the gym with me who is convinced I'm on steroids. I told him I'm not but he will not believe me. Nothing you can do for people like that. He is not overweight or anything. He is slim build with a bit of tone. I told him you put the effort in. Go on jogs and lift heavy weights and you will reap the benefits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Sugar and processed food is part of the story alright. But I’d say a lot of women in particular eat well but just too much. It’s really ridiculously easy to eat more than 1700 calories in a day especially if you drink alcohol at all. It just adds up over time. A regular desk based office worker with sedentary lifestyle would not need much more than 1700 calories.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭santana75


    Its a funny thing about the calories because when I did the fast, I was eating a lot of nuts(unsalted and 100% natural) but even so, didnt gain weight. We're told that nuts are very high in calories but honestly I was eating them by the bag load every day and it had no bearing on my weight. So if you go strictly by the calorie figures you see on food packaging I think you will be misdirected. You could have processed food that is supposedly low calorie but if its in your diet you'll gain weight, whereas if you eat something like nuts, which again, are supposed to be very high calorie, you wont gain weight. I think its as simple as this……..If man makes it, dont eat or drink it, stick with what nature makes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Interestingly, it's wall to wall fat women on ads for beauty products and women's hygiene products but fit women only for chocolate. Eating chocolate is portrayed as a sexy sensual thing, no obese woman stuffing their face to be seen.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    Well they don't want to portray the image that eating our chocolate will make you fat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Theoretically we should never deliver any unflattering news to anyone using that argument?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,110 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Unsolicited negative feedback is never a good thing, it's the wrong way to try to help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah that's advertising. As far as I know they either they to represent an ideal image that you'd like to be, or they try to represent people as they are to get them to buy the product.

    In any case, it's beside the point that I was responding to suggested we need to bring back miss universe to encourage women to be thinner. Which is silly given the quantity of thin women on tv shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,861 ✭✭✭yagan


    Being healthy is good.

    It's doesn't get any simpler than that.

    Emotional eaters will make up any excuse to not accept that one simply four worded message, being healthy is good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think there's a big ceremony around food in the waynits advertised too. There's an idea that every meal should be special which encourages people to add sauces or toppings which add to the calories.

    In truth, some meals are just about taking you from hungry to not hungry for the next few hours. Breakfast doesn't need to be a delicious experience with a cereal that's 30% sugar. Sometimes it's just about shoveling in some porridge or chia seed smoothie to get you to lunch.

    The cooking shows and advertisements create an idea that every meal should be an extra special treat.

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,062 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …again, its all about that delivery, the wrong approach will simply exasperate the underlying issues thats actually causing the eating disorder in itself….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    And to add to that when you see sugar as an ingredient you’ll find they will add in more sugar like molasses, fructose, fruit juice which all adds to the amount of sugar as a whole.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



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