Israel are going to start WWIII

To say they(IDF) members should be prosecuted is completely disingenous when we know IDF personnel are in the vast majority of cases not prosecuted or if they are they usually get off. The likes of Bt-selem have documented scores of IDF war crimes over the years. So the idea that they are isolated incidents is pure rubbish too. They happen far too often - so either the IDF are woefully trained or they simply don't really care who they kill. I know which one I believe.

I think you are right Tayto.

It has always surprised me at how readily the people of Israel accepted the slaughter and human rights violations but it's clear they see the Muslims in Gaza as subhuman and will never protest against the daily war crimes or the cowardly IDF acts. Posters here will never see the wrongs either.

They have had plenty of opportunities over the year to show some empathy and respect but failed to do it every time. I've even seen videos of some of them spitting at Palestinians long before Oct 7th. Places like schools, hospitals and refugee camps have been respected in nearly every conflict until this one when it seems anything goes and they just shout ''Command Centre'' or ''Human Shield'' after they blow them to smithereens. They, the Israeli people, are definitely in the realms of ''Collective Shame''.

Maybe you need to get some perspective.

Deadliest night in Gaza so far; “Children, babies in incubators and pregnant women will lose their lives if fuel is not provided to hospitals in Gaza”  | ActionAid International

Abandoned babies found decomposing in Gaza hospital weeks after it was evacuated

Gaza baby girl saved from dead mother’s womb dies in incubator | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera

Premature babies are dying at Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital | Gaza | Al Jazeera

Lives of 36 babies in Gaza hospital at risk despite Israeli incubator offer | Reuters

How do you think pregnant mothers and babies are getting on now with no hospitals, no power, no clean running water, no medical supplies, UNWRA banned, no food. etc etc?

Seriously.

How do you think pregnant mothers and babies are getting on now with no hospitals, no power, no clean running water, no medical supplies, UNRWA banned, no food. etc etc?

i think Hamas should admit defeat, surrender, let the humantarian organisations in, and begin the rebuild.

I don't see how anyone can continue to defend Hamas 'right to resist' any longer.

They've lost the war, and destroyed their own country in the process.

They have no right to continue fighting.

They have no right to 'martyr' another child to their mad delusion of a Jew-free middle east.

What are you on about?!? You paint Hamas as some large regiment bringing the fight to the IDF. How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas in say the last 3 months? Hamas were defeated long ago. You are so gullible to buy into this Israeli narrative that Hamas are still some credible enemy just waiting to pounce.

You would allow the slaughter to continue if Israel told you there was still a single Hamas terrorist alive somewhere with a knife.

To ignore the violations of international humanitarian law for so long is a major failing of yours. It can only mean you don't care for muslim innocents.

The West Bank Palestinians aren't resisting though, are they? Maybe locally, but not at the Hamas scale of outright war.

I mean, where is the great West Bank army coming riding across the plains to help their brothers in Gaza?

The reality is that for the entire duration of the war in Gaza, West Bank Palestinians have got up, gone to work, sent their kids to school, eaten in restaurants, drank coffee in cafe's, changed the car and watched the football or netflix. They're not going to risk all that for a pointless war like Hamas chose for the people of Gaza. There are of course instances of Settler aggression, but it's not as wholescale as people try to make out, and can all be easily reversed in a peace deal.

So, overall, I would say that the West Bank model, if not perfect, is working a lot better than the Gaza Hamas one.

The real issue with Palestine is that it doesn't have a single voice to speak for all Palestinians. Fatwa are so weak. They lost a civil war against Hamas in Gaza and still can only half-heartadly condemn Oct 7th.

Too many people have a romantized view of rebellion, and resistance. That's for another era. The path to nationhood for Palestine is through peace and diplomacy.

It is the unfortunate plight of the average Palestinian that there is not a single credible Palestinian voice in the political specrtum advocating for that.

Surrender how? Hand themselves in?

I asked you a question on Israeli losses to Hamas over the last 3 months. So you have an answer?

"As another poster pointed out" don't give me that nonsense...all I see is proven slaughter of innocent people. It's all over the news.

The UNWRA move is just another way Israel have found to murder children.

You are beyond gullible.

Officially, formally, declare their surrender. Like the Germans, and the Japanese.

The Israeli's have had very low losses throughout the war, and almost none, i would imagine, in the last 3 months.

They don't risk the lives of their soldiers unnecessiarly, and aren't a death cult like Hamas.

You saw how they killed Sinwar. No risk to their men where unnecessary.

If you think hamas arent't still fighting, i think you're just ignoring reality.

The situation is different.

The Jews didn't have a homeland to keep themselves safe. Now they do and they protect its borders.

Gaza isn't a concentration camp, and the lives of its citizens were immeasurably better before Oct 7th.

I made the point that almost everyone on this thread, and generally, were antisemitic if they used Zionist instead of Jew. It's just a fig leaf covering their rabid anti-semitism.

I spelled this out in an earlier post.

I've provided you with a document proving my claims

So, no. No moving of goalposts.

And you still haven't admitted that my point is true. It's a well known phenomonen.

Show me the reality. Prove it.

So Israel not really being engaged by these imaginary 30,000 Hamas fighters you were going on about. No IDF losses in 3 months. Yet they flatten a building almost every day killing many people as part of a "war". Do you see the imbalance at all?

Do you expect the Hamas terrorists to hand themselves in to the IDF? Is that the only end game you see? You know any Hamas fighter handing themselves in will be immediately shot. You get that right? They'll probably be shot as they approach.

Would a surrender even be heeded? Believed? You really can't read the room.

I don't think you want this "war" to end. For war read slaughter of innocents. I don't think you want Gaza to remain Palestinian.

Well they had their own little areas in cities for them, didn't they? Although they were granted more freedom in terms of exiting and entering compared to what the zionists allow the Palestinians.

Seems like quite an accurate analogy on many fronts.

At what stage do we start calling what is happening in Gaza a Holocaust?