It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
At what stage do we start calling what is happening in Gaza a Holocaust?
Except I've seen bloodthirsty Israeli scum monsters looking at Gazas destruction through binoculars at some kind of resettlement of gaza party. No shame at all. They are the most disgusting people.
Well they had their own little areas in cities for them, didn't they? Although they were granted more freedom in terms of exiting and entering compared to what the zionists allow the Palestinians.
Seems like quite an accurate analogy on many fronts.
What humanitarian organisations will be let in?
Id pt money on it that it will only be those vetted by Israel so they can hide the atrocities that were carried out by them during this conflict.
Show me the reality. Prove it.
So Israel not really being engaged by these imaginary 30,000 Hamas fighters you were going on about. No IDF losses in 3 months. Yet they flatten a building almost every day killing many people as part of a "war". Do you see the imbalance at all?
Do you expect the Hamas terrorists to hand themselves in to the IDF? Is that the only end game you see? You know any Hamas fighter handing themselves in will be immediately shot. You get that right? They'll probably be shot as they approach.
Would a surrender even be heeded? Believed? You really can't read the room.
I don't think you want this "war" to end. For war read slaughter of innocents. I don't think you want Gaza to remain Palestinian.
So what are the organisation ‘Jews against Zionism’??
Officially, formally, declare their surrender. Like the Germans, and the Japanese.
Oh right so a bunch of Hamas walk up to a checkpoint of IDF soldiers - excuse me Mr IDF persons - we are here to formally surrender - the IDF being the absolute scummy animals that they are would just shoot them on sight.
Humanitarian organisations will be let in after the war ends.
'Hamas is all they have'? What does that even mean?
Hamas ran across the border and attacked almost 10,000 people. Did they really think they could just run back across the border and taunt the Israeli's, 'Na nanna na na, can't catch me'. Of course they brough the war into Gaza, and the consequences of war too.
I made the point that almost everyone on this thread, and generally, were antisemitic if they used Zionist instead of Jew. It's just a fig leaf covering their rabid anti-semitism.
I spelled this out in an earlier post.
I've provided you with a document proving my claims
So, no. No moving of goalposts.
And you still haven't admitted that my point is true. It's a well known phenomonen.
i think Hamas should admit defeat, surrender, let the humantarian organisations in, and begin the rebuild.
Humanitarian organisations?? Didnt Israel just legislate against the main one working in the area?
I don't see how anyone can continue to defend Hamas 'right to resist' any longer.
No one is defending Hamas right to exists - however they will always exist in a vacuum - they are all the people have.
They've lost the war, and destroyed their own country in the process.
Em no - they might have lost the war but they didnt destroy their country - You have Israel and their indiscriminate bombing of civilians and their homes to blame for destroying the country.
They have no right to continue fighting.
As long as Israel have a policy of killing the last Hamas member alive and will stop at nothing to kill that last Hamas member Hamas will continue to fight and exist.
They have no right to 'martyr' another child to their mad delusion of a Jew-free middle east.
Unfortunately if Israel continue stealing land and killing civilians there will be a lot more martyred children.
The situation is different.
The Jews didn't have a homeland to keep themselves safe. Now they do and they protect its borders.
Gaza isn't a concentration camp, and the lives of its citizens were immeasurably better before Oct 7th.
Wasn't there an event after the liberation of one of the extermination camps where the British (?) made the local townspeople walk past the camp and see the horror that had taken place there?
I find it hard to believe that there would be many Israelis who didn't know what was going on in Gaza in general. Perhaps a walk through Gaza would open their eyes to the devastation their Government had exacted on innocent civilians.
But for now, there seems to be little appetite from Israelis to hold their Government to account and rise up against them. And that includes the opposition - all but 10 members of the Knesset voted to subject Gaza to mass starvation and death by disease.
The Israeli's have had very low losses throughout the war, and almost none, i would imagine, in the last 3 months.
They don't risk the lives of their soldiers unnecessiarly, and aren't a death cult like Hamas.
You saw how they killed Sinwar. No risk to their men where unnecessary.
If you think hamas arent't still fighting, i think you're just ignoring reality.
How come nobody criticises the Jewish people for not putting up with restrictions in the 1930's and 40's? Perhaps they should have - by the same logic - remained more optimistic for as long as necessary? We all saw where the alternative got them?
If you are trying to suggest that concentration camps were an improvement on the lives of Jewish people, i don't know what to say
The foregoing is simply your nonsense argument applied to a situation you won't like!
Surrender how? Hand themselves in?
I asked you a question on Israeli losses to Hamas over the last 3 months. So you have an answer?
"As another poster pointed out" don't give me that nonsense...all I see is proven slaughter of innocent people. It's all over the news.
The UNWRA move is just another way Israel have found to murder children.
You are beyond gullible.
Defeated, yes, but they have yet to surrender. Thus the war goes on.
Even the Nazi's eventually surrendered, and the Allies, having learnt the lesson's of WW1, knew the importance of that surrender.
And as another poster pointed out, Hamas still receive popular support, even amongst medical staff.
Why don't they just just surrender?
The West Bank Palestinians aren't resisting though, are they? Maybe locally, but not at the Hamas scale of outright war.
I mean, where is the great West Bank army coming riding across the plains to help their brothers in Gaza?
The reality is that for the entire duration of the war in Gaza, West Bank Palestinians have got up, gone to work, sent their kids to school, eaten in restaurants, drank coffee in cafe's, changed the car and watched the football or netflix. They're not going to risk all that for a pointless war like Hamas chose for the people of Gaza. There are of course instances of Settler aggression, but it's not as wholescale as people try to make out, and can all be easily reversed in a peace deal.
So, overall, I would say that the West Bank model, if not perfect, is working a lot better than the Gaza Hamas one.
The real issue with Palestine is that it doesn't have a single voice to speak for all Palestinians. Fatwa are so weak. They lost a civil war against Hamas in Gaza and still can only half-heartadly condemn Oct 7th.
Too many people have a romantized view of rebellion, and resistance. That's for another era. The path to nationhood for Palestine is through peace and diplomacy.
It is the unfortunate plight of the average Palestinian that there is not a single credible Palestinian voice in the political specrtum advocating for that.
Irgun and Stern didn't seem to think political efforts were the better option prior to the state of Israel being created. Also if we look at the West Bank the political option doesn't seem to be the better option when we see the rapid expansions of settlement in the West Bank thanks to the two far right headbangers. So should Palestinians on the West Bank just accept being forced from their homes, or are they entitled to resist just as Irgun did against the British.
What are you on about?!? You paint Hamas as some large regiment bringing the fight to the IDF. How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas in say the last 3 months? Hamas were defeated long ago. You are so gullible to buy into this Israeli narrative that Hamas are still some credible enemy just waiting to pounce.
You would allow the slaughter to continue if Israel told you there was still a single Hamas terrorist alive somewhere with a knife.
To ignore the violations of international humanitarian law for so long is a major failing of yours. It can only mean you don't care for muslim innocents.
As long as necessary.
We can all see where the alternative gets you.
if you're trying to suggest that the current state of affairs in Gaza is an improvement of the lives of its citizens, i don't know what to say.
How do you think pregnant mothers and babies are getting on now with no hospitals, no power, no clean running water, no medical supplies, UNRWA banned, no food. etc etc?
How many generations should they keep up such optimism for? Living their lives under the boot of their fascist neighbours and watching on while those neighbours not only steal anything they have, but take a sick delight in rubbing their noses in it.
Maybe you need to get some perspective.
Deadliest night in Gaza so far; “Children, babies in incubators and pregnant women will lose their lives if fuel is not provided to hospitals in Gaza” | ActionAid International
Abandoned babies found decomposing in Gaza hospital weeks after it was evacuated
Gaza baby girl saved from dead mother’s womb dies in incubator | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera
Premature babies are dying at Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital | Gaza | Al Jazeera
Lives of 36 babies in Gaza hospital at risk despite Israeli incubator offer | Reuters
How do you think pregnant mothers and babies are getting on now with no hospitals, no power, no clean running water, no medical supplies, UNWRA banned, no food. etc etc?
Seriously.
The likes of Bibi unfortunately isn't an aberration, the fact he has dominated Israeli politics for much of the last 28 years attest to that. The Israeli public now seem to have the mindset that everything is justified after October 7th. Which is echoed by some posters here, but you can't have it both ways if war crimes are permissable under this doctrine then you can't claim to a be a democratic and civilised country. You effectively become a pariah state- which is what many people now see Israel as.
They have had plenty of opportunities over the year to show some empathy and respect but failed to do it every time. I've even seen videos of some of them spitting at Palestinians long before Oct 7th. Places like schools, hospitals and refugee camps have been respected in nearly every conflict until this one when it seems anything goes and they just shout ''Command Centre'' or ''Human Shield'' after they blow them to smithereens. They, the Israeli people, are definitely in the realms of ''Collective Shame''.
They could always try the "just following orders" excuse.
I think you are right Tayto.
It has always surprised me at how readily the people of Israel accepted the slaughter and human rights violations but it's clear they see the Muslims in Gaza as subhuman and will never protest against the daily war crimes or the cowardly IDF acts. Posters here will never see the wrongs either.
He did yeah 😂
To say they(IDF) members should be prosecuted is completely disingenous when we know IDF personnel are in the vast majority of cases not prosecuted or if they are they usually get off. The likes of Bt-selem have documented scores of IDF war crimes over the years. So the idea that they are isolated incidents is pure rubbish too. They happen far too often - so either the IDF are woefully trained or they simply don't really care who they kill. I know which one I believe.
They have been radicalised by their government and media. 'Hamas are to blame for all this' is a common refrain, as if they (the Israeli public) somehow bear no responsibility whatsoever for the numerous war crimes and possible / probable genocide,
