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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • #27032
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774662#Comment_122774662

    Lines up well enough for next season. Doing a permanent hire mid-season just means you are choosing among a stupidly limited pool who don't have jobs for a reason probably.

    I miss the days of Jake White being linked to every single open job going.



  • #27033
    phog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,504 ✭✭✭✭phog


    There's no way this is performance related, I would think it was initiated by Rowntree himself and Munster agreed to his request. The question is why he wanted out.



  • #27034
    Vinnie222
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774676#Comment_122774676

    Hard to know what went on but it was clear for a few weeks that there was a rift between management and players



  • #27035
    ionadnapóca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774676#Comment_122774676

    Leicester. Michael Cheika. 1 year Contract.

    IRFU. 6 Month release clause.

    Felix Jones. 'gardening leave'. RFU 12 Month notice period.

    “I would like to thank the wider Munster family for all the support they have shown me in my time here but now is the right stage for my family and I to look forward to a new chapter.” - Rowntree



  • #27036
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    Sad to see. He's a great rugby man and I think Munster will be worse off without him at the moment.

    I feel that his players owed him more.



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  • #27037
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774680#Comment_122774680

    Was it? How did you see something that nobody else did?



  • #27038
    Crazy Davey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Crazy Davey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122756521#Comment_122756521

    No surprise. A blind man could see he wasn’t up to and Munster were going backwards



  • #27039
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,964 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774676#Comment_122774676

    Not so sure about that to be honest. Munster have lost 6 of the last 8 games since the start of the season. I think it is performance related.



  • #27040
    Crazy Davey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Crazy Davey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122756754#Comment_122756754

    Well you’ll find out soon. Rowntree was out of his depth.



  • #27041
    phog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,504 ✭✭✭✭phog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774680#Comment_122774680

    I haven't seen this - if you want to take it to PM please do but can you expand on this, please.



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  • #27042
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Lancaster might not last too much longer at Racing. I'd say he'd be a good fit.



  • #27043
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774747#Comment_122774747

    I'd be shocked if there wasn't a performance element to the whole thing. While his URC record is good (though not without serious black marks at times), his European record is pretty ropey.

    That being said, I doubt its the whole reason. It is very unusual for something like this to happen mid-season.



  • #27044
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774747#Comment_122774747

    Munster lost 5 of the first 7 in 22/23 and went on to win the URC.

    They finished top of the regular season last year.

    And preseason friendlies are meaningless.

    He had plenty of credit in the bank. It simply can't be performance related.



  • #27045
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,846 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    It can’t be performance related, even if the higher ups wanted him gone they wouldn’t have the balls to do it now. Munster are still an inherently conservative organisation. The only way he was pushed is if there were massive rifts in the dressing room.



  • #27046
    aloooof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,254 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774755#Comment_122774755

    Rubbish. Rowntree was the only head coach in Irish rugby who has a trophy in the last 2 seasons.



  • #27047
    leakyboots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Won the league and then finished top of the regular season... it can't be performance-related.

    Sad to see him go but based on the above it seems like he felt he had to. As others said, the 'why?' will be interesting. Wonder will it be IRFU-related.



  • #27048
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,817 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Well our bad start to the season is about to get a lot worse. The team need the supporters more than ever now. We should try to get to the games and roar our team on

    I'd be interested to hear did the suits at Munster want him out or did he want to leave himself



  • #27049
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,817 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774811#Comment_122774811

    You think the IRFU have poached him from Munster? I would really hope they didn't just take a s#!t on their own doorstep but it does sound like something the SARU would do



  • #27050
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,964 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774783#Comment_122774783

    And that's exactly what i'm saying. I'm not saying its down to performance exclusively. Not at all, Rowntree seemed like a good fit but regardless of how we cut it or go into what-aboutery or compare to last season it doesn't help to lose quite a few games since the start of this season. Its a shame. Not good at all for Munster.



  • #27051
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Rowntree was spitting fire after the Zebre game and would have demanded a reaction, but unfortunately it didn’t seem to materialise.

    My guess is that he felt he wasn’t getting through to the players and it was time to move on. It’s unlikely there was a player revolt or anything like that.



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  • #27052
    Pepp1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭Pepp1989


    We are all guessing.

    But the timing is weird. All blacks on Saturday. A break then. Would have made more sense to do it then unless something happened.

    The statements are also fairly brief. No mention of urc win etc. No mention of personal reasons.

    It is suggestive of a bust up.



  • #27053
    phog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,504 ✭✭✭✭phog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774907#Comment_122774907

    No mention of urc win etc.

    I mean if you're going to ignore it then of course there's no mention of anything

    For clarity, this is their (MR) piece on the URC win

    In his first season as Head Coach, Rowntree led Munster to the URC title, the club’s first trophy in 12 years, before overseeing a top of the table finish in last season’s URC campaign.



  • #27054
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,971 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774907#Comment_122774907

    wasn’t tgeee rumours of discontent beteeeen him and Pom last year ….this is a bonkers decision



  • #27055
    Pepp1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭Pepp1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774932#Comment_122774932

    I meant the direct quotes but fine. I take your point.

    Clearly the timing is questionable. Unless you think it was actually mutual and everything was fine between all parties? Maybe you do. I prefaced my post by saying we are guessing.

    The timing and nature of the quotes given, in my opinion, mean something happened.



  • #27056
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,817 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774907#Comment_122774907

    The timing is very weird, unless he's linking in with an international side in which he is a bit late, but still possible, or with a Super Rugby side, which the timing would fit nicely

    My only problem with the above 2 scenarios is that if either are true it shows a complete lack of respect to Munster



  • #27057
    phog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,504 ✭✭✭✭phog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774951#Comment_122774951

    It's a Munster Rugby statement so it is their direct quote and they mentioned the URC win and the topping of the table last year, to me they're saying it's not performance related.

    Of course we're all guessing but then why say something wasn't said when it was clearly stated in their statement.



  • #27058
    JanuarySnowstor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Munster were going nowhere and a change had to happen!! Timing unusual but this all blacks game is a nonsense anyway. The real team are playing England same day



  • #27059
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    i cant agree with the talk of Felix coming into a headcoach role.

    I just dont see it, he sure has a massive amount to offer but it was clear from the Behind scenes footage of SA in chasing the sun that hes something akin to a mad scientist / anorak / stats and video mad person who excels at that role of research and finding nuggets of data and info that can have an impact.

    I just dont see that being the experience needed to become a headcoach and manage a team of staff and a team of players, and i certainly dont see Munster being the place for someone to make the mistakes that will be made while they learn that job.


    What about dutchy?



  • #27060
    JanuarySnowstor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Surely its time for one of our own such as POC or ROG.

    Someone who understands the Munster psyche!!



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  • #27061
    Pepp1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭Pepp1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774966#Comment_122774966

    I've no interest in arguing with you. If you are saying you didn't know what I meant by referencing direct quotes in the piece by Munster then I just think that's disingenuous and I'll leave it there.

    A sad day for Munster Rugby. The season from hell gathers pace. It'll probably be a bit strange atmosphere wise on Saturday now.



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