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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I forgot projection in my little list, somehow.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If someone posts something that can be easily dismissed, it doesn't require more than one dismissal. That's the point.

    Threads are clogged with that type of crap.

    If you posted that the earth was flat and I replied correcting you, there's no need for another ten people to post the same reply or to get snotty with you for having that opinion.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I agree with you, but some of the posters who mocked the notion of a pile on are very quick to accuse others of it if their post is debated or they are asked questions.

    That's the nub of it, "one rule for me and those who agree with me, another rule for everyone else".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Christ, not this again.

    If you think that only one poster can counter your point or argument or whatever it is, or commenting on your post, then I don't know how you think that should operate in reality. Should people started a PM chat and decide who is going to respond? Should they nominate someone on thread to respond to you.

    This is a discussion forum, sometimes views will be unbalanced in terms of representation. I'm sure you know this from your time spent on various immigration threads or the likes over the years where the tone can predominantly come from one direction. But the argument to lots of people disagreeing with you is not to call it a pile on and demand that it should stop. Because then that just allows an argument to be painted as equal, which is a false representation.

    If someone started a thread supporting flat earth theory, is it a pile on for several people to challenge them on that?

    Besides, haven't you yourself said that you heavily use the ignore function to prevent having to deal with people challenging you? If you've 100+ people on your ignore list, I'm pretty sure there aren't enough left to 'pile on'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It's self evident when a point has been sufficiently countered.

    Beyond that people are just indulging themselves.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    If it was self evident, the original poster wouldn't make the same point over and over again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If that's something you feel is a problem then report it instead of acting as judge, jury and executioner.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    You have a point, If you would admit the earth was a sphere after being challenged by one or two posters, which unfortunately is a rare occurrence.

    Problem is that a lot of the posters in question 1: wouldn't admit they were wrong 2: Disappear for a while after claiming the earth is flat 3:Reappear on thread claiming the moon landings are fake.

    If I would held a very debatable position I would expect a lot of people to challenge me on it.

    I do have an issue with labelling from the get go. I posted somewhere that the US is the biggest destabilizing factor in the middle east and some geopolitics, neo conservatism etc. From the get go some posters didn't debate my stance but went straight into telling me I was a Russian mouth piece etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,372 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What existing rule would that be a breach of?
    Or can you clarify what new rule you would like to see being brought in?
    How would that be enforced?

    It could be construed as soap-boxing, but that can be quite difficult to demonstrate if the poster keeps repeating the same claim, doesn't engage with rebuttals but just slightly rewords their claim, rinse and repeat.
    Especially as "nobody owes anyone an answer" you can't report someone just for not engaging with queries \ challenges to their point.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're making the exact same point on here you made on the last one of these threads. That you think that if more than one poster responds negatively towards your argument, that is bullying and a pile on.

    Several posters (and the site effectively) told you that this was not the case.

    But here you are making the same argument again. Should me or other posters now report your post because it has a point that has been made, considered, dismissed, and yet you keep repeating it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm not the one making the claim about people making the same point over and over.

    If Tell Me How thinks that's a problem then they should report the post explaining their issues with it.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man


    This is absurd and unworkable. What if that person is wrong over and over again without breaking any rules? One person is nominated to debate them forever?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    No, I'm able to counter posts and positions I disagree with through argument, not by running to the mods. That's why I use a discussion forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 Sorcha Dhuisigh _She_Her_


    I don't believe the mods want posters just constantly reporting posts they don't agree with or saying "they're making the same claim again".

    It's a discussion forum. People disagreeing is normal.

    The deranged hyper focus on some minor niche topic (which is offensive and upsetting) is what has led the thread to crash the way it did.

    Anyway, this thread is going wildly off course, so I'll leave it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    That's not what I'm saying at all.

    More than one person responding isn't an issue, it's when pages and pages of threads are padded out with multiple posters making the same points repeatedly, often derailing the thread in the process that's the problem.

    At that point the reasonable thing to do is think about why you're posting and what it's adding to the discussion.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,372 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That point was made in response to your suggestion of limiting number of person replying to discredit a post.
    A suggestion that is completely unworkable and impractical.

    You had no real response to Tell Me How's post, and now seemingly have given a cop out answer by telling them to report it.
    When asked to clarify that point, on what basis it should be reported, you have no actual answer. So it was obviously a cop out \ deflection.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm not saying that.

    When you have a dozen or so posters challenging the same person it's a train wreck.

    A few people responding isn't a problem, pile ons don't happen all the time, but they do occur and it's rarely to the benefit of the discussion at hand.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    If anything they should get rid off the ignore function, IMO Its a cheap excuse to use when someone is afraid to discuss issues on a discussion site.

    If someone feels harassed by the same poster over and over and its determined this behaviour is against site rules just site ban the offender.

    Putting people on ignore you disagree with but still posting in the same threads the majority of theses people are heavily posting in as well is not on, that is just a windup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So we should abandon moderation and just let people sort others out themselves?

    If someone is posting waffle they're trolling, it's a simple process to report trolling.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's enforcing the point.

    It's each individual expressing THEIR opinion.

    It's demonstrating a collective tone, not just a singular voice.

    Not everyone may have read all other posts (they don't have to).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I never made that suggestion, someone else misinterpreted what I said, now you're stating it as fact. Another prime example of how these situations cause misunderstandings and warp perceptions.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The problem can also be posters having an unpopular or controversial opinion and then continues to reply to multiple posters. If someone responds to me I will most likely respond back to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If the nail has been driven home already there's no need for everyone to whack it with their hammer just because they're expressing themselves in doing so.

    A few people make the same point, not a problem, when it extends into pages and pages of the same, it's utterly pointless.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,372 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Way to drive engagement with the site. You're not allowed to post expressing your individual opinion on someone else's post, because someone got there first. If you do so, you'll eventually end up banned from the forum.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    But it shouldn't matter.

    To use your example. You claim the earth is flat, 600 people challenge you on that, your reply should just quote 1 or 2 of these people to convince the earth is flat, preferably with some collaborating evidence, you might get a reply, pick one or 2 of the first relevant replies and discuss, its your POV no one is expecting you to reply to the other 598. Provide the material that convinced you the earth is flat, reply to a few counter claims and that's it.

    No one in the Trump/Harris thread is going to convince the few genuine MAGA posters that Trump is wrong, but every one can/should challenge the nonsense posted.

    I had some very controversial opinions on this site but I always tried to defend my position and debate the topic against the vast majority



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,372 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I know you made a suggestion to another poster to report posts but were unable to provide any basis as to why that should be reported.

    I posted definition on the thread of 'piling on' from a CA mod.
    Therefore, as far as boards go, and these discussions primarily relate to CA, that is the accepted boards definition of 'piling on'

    It is not how you have attempted to present it, which is merely multiple posters sincerely disagreeing with another poster's post. That is not "piling on" under boards definition.

    So who is "warping perceptions" exactly?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'm 100% sure that posters aren't posting page after page of comments denouncing 1 singular post. What we see a lot of is a poster post several times in a thread across several pages which is countered by many others.

    Say 1 poster posted something that people disagree with, and say 6 people respond and the original poster continues to post with the same argument, they are choosing to prolong the discussion. Should some or most of the 6 responders now not respond so as not to have a pile on? If that were the case, the thread would read like someone making a point and actually silencing others who disagreed with them. Which would tend to validate that argument.

    Have a look at the Harris/Trump Thread from yesterday afternoon/evening for a working example of this. Lots of people disagreed with the argument one poster was making that what happened at Trump's rally Sunday night was just a singular joke, that poster kept insisting it was, should only one poster have been entitled to respond to these repeated posts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    More things I didn't say.

    There's a common sense solution that you're choosing to ignore to paint me in a negative light.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You said I suggested one person should be nominated to reply to an unpopular opinion, which I never said.

    I suggested that if Tell Me How felt someone was trolling they should report it instead of feeding the troll.

    Glazers Out!



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