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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    None of what JFK Jr said there made anyone more confident in Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It's halloween, so we're all in the mood for a little bit of Horror. But a 2nd Trump presidency would be about as funny as throat cancer.

    He won't just break America. He'll do enormous irreversible damage to the whole world.

    The problem with Trump not winning, is that all of the trump supporters will think that no matter how things go under Harris, Trump would have been better, and the next Trump will be even worse than the current Trump.

    I've lost faith in human civilisation. There are too many people who are utterly incapable of critical thought, and too many incentives for bad actors to do things that are only in their own short term interest, but ultimately bad for everyone in the medium to long term.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Where was Elon Musk born again?

    Screenshot_20241027_232527_X.jpg

    This is an incredible night from Trump, it is surely deliberately antagonistic.

    It's not a vote getter, I'm pretty sure of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    in fairness if he managed to secure the endorsement of JFK jr I’d say that might impress a few people…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That animal Miller needs a good cage.

    A truly chilling sociopath is ever there was one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The Republican party has become a giant freak show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Agreed, but this is also the problem in American politics. It seems that the centreground would be happy to put up a non-stop stream of bland candidates against Trump where they think that has any chance of success. No-one really electrifying and inspiring. It's a road to hell in the long term, because all you need is enough voters to get fed up and throw a tantrum and the worse alternative gets in and that may be the last proper election you have for a rather long time. If it doesn't happen in this cycle, it'd happen in the next one.

    It seems to me that the centre, not just in the U.S., but throughout the West is out of ideas and doesn't really have any cogent plans to fundamentally address the rising tide of right wing populism that we're seeing. More just hoping against hope that the latter's inherent craziness will be self-defeating, which isn't quite happening.

    And is that even the natural cycle? Like, you can't really expect to have unbroken liberal democracy because people are going to forget how horrible the alternative is and fancy a change anyway, with warnings from history being waved off as an abstraction or even just as falsehoods? Do you need a period of brutal authoritarianism to remind everyone how good we had it in the first place?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    My bad, I obviously meant Robert, long day of work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The biggest flaw in democracy, is that low information voters count exactly the same as someone who took the time to learn about the candidates and inform themselves, and there are a lot more lazy people who don't care about politics, than there are well informed, interested and responsible voters.

    That's a problem globally. But when you add in the complete corruption of media, where a tiny number of billionaires control everything the electorate see, hear and read, and it's a one way ticket to a fascist dictatorship.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What's the analysis, here? Are they trying to lose the election for some reason, or are they feeling so confident of winning that they feel comfortable pulling the mask down?



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths


    In other words in a democracy everybodys vote counts equally.

    Some may see that as a strength in the concept. Maddening eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If Trump wins in America, and he does what he says he will do (put tariffs on everyone) there is a chance that the USD will end as the global reserve currency. Being the reserve currency basically gives you unlimited money. You can print as many dollars as you like to pay for whatever you want. Infinite money.

    If the Euro became the new reserve currency, Eurozone countries could invest way more in defence with interest free loans from the ECB without diluting the value of the currency.

    American power is not in their military, it is in their currency

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Pretending to be working class, like say turning up to a Mc Donald's and pretending to work there for 15 minutes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I hope someone is taking notes of all the more extreme things Trump is predicted to do, even things he said he'd do, so we can check to see if he followed though on them in 4 years time.

    Personally I think the more extreme things he says is just bluster, all part of his act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They think they're a shoe in, so the pretence that they're not racist scumbags has been dropped. Looking at the blatant bigoted remarks against Latinos and "America for Americans only" should tell everyone what they need to know about this group of filth.

    If they get in in November, their voters will deserve everything that the get. It's not like they have any excuse of ignorance that they may have had in 2016.

    American politics has always been a shambles, but my god what a sickening drudge it has become in recent years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,952 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Show me where Trump has ever said he was working class? What you see is what you get with Trump. It played well with voters and that's what his team wanted



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Where he literally pretended to work at Mc Donald's.

    It didn't play well. It was ridiculous and insulting to actual people who work service jobs. Especially when he believes that such people shouldn't be paid a living wage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Another big problem with Clinton's loss was how the DNC completely shafted Bernie Sanders. They turned an awful lot of supporters away by manipulating the primaries and that was enough for Trump to sneak in.

    The Democrats are way more right wing than any mainstream Irish party, even the Tories in the UK are probably more to the left than the DNC

    Sanders would be considered a centrist in Ireland, he was seen as an extreme left option in the US.

    Harris doesn't have this problem this time, because there basically was no primary, and people don't really blame her for screwing over another candidate that they would have preferred.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Stephen Miller appeals to who exactly?

    What kind of person looks at this person and thinks 'I'd like him to be in charge'

    He's a ghoul

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,875 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    this seems like a bizarre thing to introduce. moreso given that trump wants to become america's hitler if he wins the election.

    the vid is about 30seconds long. i tried to google it but cant find anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,298 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Will he though? It’s mentioned time and time again, the limits of the office of the POTUS- yes it’s a powerful office but there are limits.

    If Trump loses what happens America? More riots? More unrest? More hate?
    If Trump wins, then the focus, the responsibility and the pressure falls off Harris, off Biden and straight away on to him- he’s now in charge - if he fails that’s it - all this nonsense is over - he’ll be a losing has-been - like The Truman show people will just switch over to another channel .

    A majority of voting America appear to want this to happen so it’s not “one man”- it’s a movement of people - they may have to learn by their mistakes but I’d rather they did this over in 4 years than dragging it out for another 10- that’s probably my thinking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Musk speaking now. He gets weirder by the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It is, in theory, and in contrast to the alternatives, where there are no votes, or only certain people get to vote.

    But it is a flaw in the system where you're trying to arrive at a good decision, and the majority of people do not know enough about the subject to be able to make a rational choice.

    Would you like to undergo surgery where every decision made by the surgeon is decided by a simple majority of everyone in the operating theatre? Or do you want the surgeon to be the most experienced and expert person in the room, with others around him who are also informed, who can check their decisions and challenge them if they're doing something stupid?

    There are very good reasons why we don't make people take a test before we allow them to vote. What I actually want, are better protections against blatant propaganda in elections. So that voters are better informed, so that candidates can't lie blatantly to the public, so that media organisations cannot be nakedly partisan, so that media cannot be owned by individuals who can use that power to influence elections

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    In a normal election, driven by normal aims political motivations and economic concerns it's not a vote getter.

    In the current febrile state of the US, we can hope it's not. That it's yet another one of those straws that will break the camels back. Let's hope because it's a display of absolute hate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,580 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Musk is such a poor public speaker, he's so awkward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Don't a specific set of those very fine people believe that people of his religion are out to replace them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,298 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Melanie on Sky News live now at Madison square gardens -delivering a speech- or more like sounding like a 4th class student reading out a passage in English class- not very well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,298 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Donald coming on stage now - live Sky News



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,844 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    If you argue that Michelle has a brass neck by not speaking about Bidens cognitive decline [which he seemed to display during the debate with Trump] while mentioning that Trump has it to a lesser degree than Biden, would you accept that the GOP should get Trump to pull out of the race in advance of his further decline?

    Most people slamming the Dems for not getting Biden to pull out earlier do so on the basis of his decline.



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