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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    To answer your last question, I don't and I suspect I'd be in the majority in saying that.

    I download the excell sheet where you can go through all the type figures such as rump with, chest width etc. but I'm not sure what I should be looking for in terms of pluses or minuses.

    I got the herd scored by AaA this year and tried to use that as a guide for breeding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    ok so have you a aAa score for pivotal

    I bet he’s not compatible with any of your cows

    -5 for frame is disastrous in so so many ways- leads to poor feed efficiency lower intakes reduced production and much lighter stock who are worthless as culls


    yet genomic says he’s great



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Ye he's 423 most of my herd requires 56 and 1.

    Im not disagreeing with you on the high ebi bulls. We only moved away from the British friesan about 6-7 years ago. I wasn't all that happy with the heifers the last 2 years so I'm looking to change. I still have good solid cows they just need more milk and solids.

    The tide is turning away quickly from the bull offerings at present. From any discussion group I've been at most looking to use more daughter proven, sick of seeing 30 new bulls every year a catalogue with nothing to back them up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    The irish bulls are usually 20 percent friesian 80 percent holstein there not a pure breed so variation and low predctio occurs no other country uses much or any of our bull cus there all crap no one inspects the daughters for type its a joke



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Some faith been put in the cow pictured here, has over 40 sons in ai and counting, she's meant to be a cracker of a cow, wws rep seen her in the flesh last year in America...

    Going with a good bit of Parceive here next spring



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    At the risk of comments about the herd!!

    Various types for sale in a herd clearance this wednesday in New Ross mart.

    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/phFW4n71ELrDDGWU/



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I don't subscribe to the view that loads of people are getting out of cows (I can't, since I'm only getting into them myself!) but I'm on some mailing list for New Ross and the above is the 3rd catalogue I've got from them on clearance/reduction sales in the last month.

    Local milk collection man said he'll have 12 less collections next year too. Now, that's across the 5 lorries he has on the road. But it's a fair reduction all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭dar31


    whats the minumin amount of time to leave a maize pit closed for before starting to feed it ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    I'd have a different view on cows and breeding than many here. My ideal cow milks c. 400 - 450kgsMS on OAD on c.250kgs of meal and have a €250 ave calf price, >95% fertility and top health should also be a given.

    I don't find it easy get genetics to deliver this, outside of NR, which bizarrely have a much higher input system.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It's half expected that the hubris from 2015 has died down and people realise it's as good as it gets. And other half from actors in media, new regulations from dept, council, cost of upgrades, cost of compliance, etc. Even no acknowledgement from actors in media of the climate debate and dairy grass soils holding more carbon than other farming methods that are promoted by same actors. All has bearing. Even looking on at others get payments per acre and those in get none can sicken people. When they know they are doing everything right.

    I had to laugh at a tillage farmers son on the milk round complain about collections. He was run off his feet he said three years ago. His boss dropped the rounds and went back to general haulage. A new company took over with foreign drivers. I asked a driver this year were they busy with collections. No was the reply very quiet. Need more milk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭straight


    It Seems like a pretty low bar to me tbh. Apart from the 250 euro calf. I'd like to know how much profit is left out of that calf after all costs are deducted including labour?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭straight


    That's a strangely honest ad. Most of the time they just mention milk concentration and leave the rest a mystery....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Have you found it easy yourself? Maybe on dry land? I forgot to include that we average a 7 month grazing season around here.

    On the profit per calf, I'm not sure what you don't know, only to say that it would be €150/calf more than an average of a €100/calf price.

    Post edited by Castlekeeper on

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,218 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It all depends on what way you look at it. He is turning over probably 2.5k euro in milk. His ration is costing sub 100/ head. if the calf is selling @ 250 at 20 days average he is ahead of lot of lads by 100+ maybe even heading for 150 per calf. Probably selling out if tghe yard as well.

    He Is milking once a day so he dose not want a cow milking too well. Paying for a Sunday morning milking gives him off from Saturday midday until Monday morning. He could hold down a job paying 40-50k a year with OAD. His winter feed costs are probably fairly low as well. His replacement rate could be down near 12%, maybe only breeds replacements every second year, for that matter he what he need to buy in replacements and the type he needs would be relatively easy to source.

    Not for everyone but a fairly straightforward system that is low costs.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    I'm hitting some of those targets. Milking OAD, getting €250 for the coloured bull calves and €150 for fr at 21 days, good health consistently well below coop average for scc, fertility good, 7% empty, calving interval 362 days, the better cows are 450kg plus but not enough of them. Herd will average 380-390kg for this year. And nowhere near the 250kg of meal target unfortunately will feed approx 750kg this year. Previous years would be 400-500kg.

    As bass describes I have the off farm job with the 50k plus salary. However Bass I think you underestimate how much additional work is involved in dairying outside of milking, I would question how sustainable it is long term. Both my parents still actively involved and I would seriously struggle without them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Just to probe a bit what is the work that is the biggest struggle, is it a combination of all the little jobs or is it the springtime. I would imagine the spring is tough. People underestimate the time that goes into calves in the first week. Big difference from suckler as once they are sucking they are generally on the go then. Getting to grass, strip wires, cleaning sheds etc. summer with breeding and grassland management.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭straight


    7 month grazing season would be fairly normal around here too. I'm in a very dairy area. Can't see why anyone would just pay over the odds for a calf in feb/March



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Asking for a friend…

    If someone was at 185 kg N/HA and not in derogation, could they expect a 1-2% penalty on their direct payments? Or would it be more likely a 10-20% penalty for being 15 kg N/HA over the limit?

    No previous penalties or inspection issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Ye it's the months of February to end of June really..Milking, feeding cows, calved cows we would be trying to get to grass so strip wires, walking cows in and out, calving cows, feeding calves, bedding calves, dehorning, bedding calving pens, cleaning calving pens, scraping, bedding cubicles, getting fert out, slurry out, then its into breeding all ai, silage, drawing bales from out blocks, we'd have a few cattle so associated work with them, paperwork, etc.

    I'm rambling now but the list goes on, not complaining I enjoy it majority of the time, but I don't think I could maintain things as well without the help at home in the middle of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    It's good to ramble and let it out as it having few other eyes on it could help. It's the little jobs that eat time and trying to build simplify them is key

    Just wondering would it pay to use the contractor or pit for the initial burst of silage while breeding is on. This is when you are burnt out from the spring. Even looking to a local beef farmer for even 1-2 days a week or even 2-3 hours a day for 6 weeks for the February to early April spell. Trying to keep all the irons in the fire will catch you. This could help hugely and provide a bit an extra support network to you and the crew at home during the day.

    Im only looking in as an ex dairy farmer with a gra still there for cows, but a good job and a young family is holding me back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Interesting video. The black and white brigade won’t be happy 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Thanks for the support, don't get me wrong I'm not burnt out or anything, took on a few extra projects over the past 4 to 5 years which stretched me a bit.

    Ye the plan would be to go back to pit for first cut this year, however it's a bit small so will really only cater half my silage requirements. My contractor won't draw the bales, so for the time being we will draw them.

    I suppose down the road getting in some labour might work, but those people are very scarce. The ambition I suppose was to access more land and increase scale enough to leave the job, don't really see that happening. We have a good setup at present and profitable but it is probably finite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Keep polishing the system with the goal of reducing hours worked and it will really drive the daily routine and investment if needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Andre has never been with calves in the local marts and been sent home with his tail between his legs.

    Not joking. It's easy give advice when you are not getting the full experience of farming. I've seen them sent home too that there's no point bringing the calves in.

    That advice is from 2014 just he's never moved on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    That's the goal, collars the next investment on that front.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    That guy is using a lot of beef on the herd by the sounds of it. The right beef bulls on jex there is no issue selling them from what I see. I’ve a few good mates with very jex herds, they look after the calves really well and no issue selling them



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