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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    a machine in need of maintenance: at a rally trying to remember what he experienced at McDonald’s he couldn’t remember the name of a Deep Fryer. “Whatever the hell that thing was”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    She’s a fairly middle-of-the-road Dem candidate, honestly.

    there’ll be the same blame game we saw in 2016, with particular ire directed towards Trump voters. But IMO the primary party deserving of scorn will be the Democratic Party itself.

    Conventional political wisdom is that's the way to go when you're up against a maverick, insurgent candidate like Trump, as he supposedly condedes the centre ground. Clearly it didn't work with Hillary and only barely worked with Biden, and that with a massive helping hand from the pandemic, but it's still seen as the safe choice. Whatever recriminations the Democratic party elders attracted in 2016, they're nothing to what they would have got if they anointed Sanders or someone of his ilk and he got battered by The Donald.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Completely disagree.

    I feel you are holding the Democrats, the party and voters to a way higher standard than Republicans.

    We're in this mess because for 9 years, people have done what you are doing.

    This is a sign of an America that's in a very troubling place with respect to its morals, expectations and civic responsibilities, that's not gonna change until it wakes up to that fact.

    Blaming Democrats (who are by no means perfect) just delays any serious move to accepting the real problems they have.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,569 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Yes, I do hold Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans, because I despise the Republican Party with every ounce of my being. Their vision of the world is completely contrary and incompatible to my own on virtually every issue of note. Even where there might be some agreement on issues - like some opposition to endless war funding in the libertarian wing of the Republican Party - is often for completely different reasons than why I am anti-war. I find their vision for a grim hypercapitalist, regulation-free, Christofascist state revolting and immoral, and their endless punishment of the working class, immigrants, women etc indefensible. Their support of Trump is laughably hypocritical given his character. They’ll use every trick and deception in the book to maintain power, shattering every hint of convention, fairness and decency in the process. I will never, ever support them.

    The Democrats are meant to be (though rarely are in practice, sadly) the more progressive face of American politics, fighting for change. When I see them settling for a broken status quo or failing to really put forward an ambitious vision of the future, I know they can do better - because many in their party do fight for better on a daily basis, whether that’s on Gaza, Medicare for All, or fixing the Supreme Court. I fundamentally agree with the party on several major issues, but often find their compromises deeply frustrating. And on some issues I don’t think they’re worth defending at all, because their stance is indefensible. So yeah, I will hold them to a different standard than Republicans, because I expect no standards from Republicans at all.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Now a load of democrat supporters in the USA are throwing their toys out of the pram because the Washington Post refused to endorse Harris and just stayed neutral.

    Honestly can none of them think for themselves and just vote without having their choice backed up by a newspaper.

    It's amazing that up until today when they took an explictly pro-democrat stance on pretty much everything were the real arbiters of truth and now even the slightest degree of not 100% supporting the democrats and all of a sudden they're pieces of trash , really shows you people just want propaganda from the newspapers they read.

    Did people really think that a publication owned by Jeff Bezos would have any standards apart from doing what suited him when it came down to it.

    Hilarious that the Washington Post with its hilariously pretentious "Democracy Dies in Darkness" tagline and it being bigged up as a newspaper of record by the democrats has now become a disgraceful publication because of merely wanting to stay neutral and not endorse a candidate.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    In 2020, I was living in the US, during primary season I hoped Bernie would get the nod and felt initially, you know, maybe they're ready for a genuine progressive administration.

    But as the months passed, and I paid closer attention, I realized just how unlikely it would be that he would win. America is fundamentally a capitalist country and education and Healthcare are 2 massive industries. A candidate could not even advocate significant changes there with risking losing 10-20% of their vote, and that's a death sentence in a 2 horse race.

    Biden, and now Harris simply have to appeal to the small portion of the electorate who are open to being manipulated by policy conversation or else,they just won't win.

    We saw this in effect in the UK when the most progressive labour leader in decades, got steamrolled in the election.

    Change either has to come gradually which might mean it's too late, or suddenly which necessitates a catastrophe to trigger it and I don't want to see a catastrophe and don't want to see losing constantly, but feeling morally superior because that ultimately is worse for society (see UK once again for reference).

    I spend a lot of time wishing that in 2016 the UK had elected to stay in Europe and the US had told Trump to F off and that now, we'd be talking about 5-8 yrs of initiating action to halt climate damage etc as a global collective, but, here we are. 8yrs in the exact opposite direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If Republicans were so sure of a Trump victory I wonder why they're now saying states should skip the election and electors should just go ahead and award their votes to Trump, as Rep. Andy Harris has argued North Carolina do.

    Whoever these people are, they are not your dad's Republicans.

    Now a load of democrat supporters in the USA are throwing their toys out of the pram because the Washington Post refused to endorse Harris and just stayed neutral.

    There is nothing 'neutral' about Jeff Bezos exerting oligarchal authority over the paper to squelch the editorial board's decades long tradition of issuing a presidential endorsement.

    It has nothing to do with 'staying neutral' and everything with Jeff Bezos not wanting to be on the 'enemies list'

    The only thing hilarious about it is this pitiful 'hot take' on it that you've written.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    but but but Trump !😀😀😀

    At least that’s the last of that bull we’ll have to listen to - I hope they have nightmares I really do because they’ve been a cocky lot throughout and listening to nobody but their own echo chamber - about time they woke up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭REDBULL68


    3 types of voters in America at the moment, Trump, Harris and what the f/ck just happened to our country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You and that poster should stop for a second think about how another billionaire has stepped in to directly influence public perception in favour of Trump.

    This is the guy whose fans think will challenge the elites and he has 2 of the literal richest men on the planet running interference for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Which candidate has raised over a billion dollars in the campaign?

    And which Candidate had a billionaire Gov speaking at the DNC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Huh?

    Do you think that is the same as what Musk has done with Twitter, or what Bezos has directed his WaPo board to do (counter to their wishes)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    WAPO doesn't need to endorse anyone, the articles that come from that print speaks for itself. Well known who they endorse, or hate I should say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'll take that as a no to my question.

    But it is significant that Bezos acted as he did to help Trump. As you said, if everyone knows the WaPo position, letting them endorse Harris wouldn't have created headlines, instead, the commentary around this is how another elitist is pulling strings for Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Trump just wrapped a 3 hour unscripted podcast with Rogan. Should be an interesting watch tomorrow when it's released.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    3 hours, Christ, the most any politician did in the past was hour and half tops, should be a interesting/entertaining listen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    😂

    That poor effort at a false equivalence reveals the issue in and of itself: that billionaire Democrat at the DNC didn’t donate a billion dollars to her campaign. this is exactly like the gambling fallacy been highlighted here for days now: a handful of billionaires support Trump and represent the overwhelming majority of his financing, but Harris’ fund raising was majorly brought in by over 1.5 million small donors (and that was the number at the end of August).

    Do you see the difference yet? This is an election. Dollars don’t vote. People do. And Elon and Jeff annd Peter Thiel etc. only get one vote each.


    and you know what she’s not doing with the money? She isn’t being a fascist: she’s not buying up newspapers’ silence, she’s not creating fake Trump campaign sites to generate false outrage, she doesn’t own her own social media propaganda site, she’s not generating dozens of specious polls to water down the averages, she’s not using anonymous gambling accounts to game the prediction markets, she’s not in secret talks with Putin, she’s not sending texts pitting US Muslims and Jews against one another, etc. etc.

    It’s telling that Trump and a handful of oligarchs are trying to pull out all the stops and none of his supporters bat an eyelid at that, but if Kamala Harris doesn’t shake her head right during an interview she’s unfit to lead. It’s a pathetic influence campaign. And I don’t believe it is working.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    If you have any regard for the people of Gaza other than as political footballs you must choose the lesser of two evils.

    Trump said Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Doing that Podcast was an interesting choice by Trump, like, he's not going to win any voters from it, but he could lose some.

    Also, why did you feel the need to say 'unscripted', is there a rumour in MAGA circles that Trump needs a script to follow. Interesting that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    what, they need all night to edit it down to sane wash him? It wasn’t done live?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Raised for their campaign or grifted to their 'campaign'? You just mention in the campaign so I just want to know if that includes raising 'campaign funds' to pay their legal bills and grifting $3 Chinese bibles for $60 (which assuming the same markup after the tariffs, will now cost $96, but rather than $57 profit, he will make over $90)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Russian disinformation campaign escalation underway as AP reports Russian Actors staged a fake destruction of Trump ballots to rile up social media

    https://apnews.com/article/misinformation-fact-check-trump-ballots-destroyed-pennsylvania-d75fdc56c71d77c7a48d8fca96b03288

    I remember several posters pretended like they really believed Russia was endorsing Harris this election but as a general reminder all Russia is interested in is maximizing divisions in the west so it can get what it wants. As always.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    meaning that Harris's team wanted to control what Rogan could ask. Trump agreed to an unscripted ask me anything interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Rogan always releases his podcasts the day after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    said without evidence dismissed without evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,017 ✭✭✭✭briany


    You have to remember that Trump trades in soundbites and memes, which I have to think he'll get a few good ones out of three hours on Rogan, and will then be spread around Twitter, Tiktok and everything else.

    It's definitely a better strategy to win some extra votes than Harris trotting Dick Cheney's daughter out at rallies - a person no-one cares about or likes. If Harris wants an anti-Trump Republican, get someone with charisma and name value. Is Arnold Schwarzenegger free? Bonus is that he could talk in very real terms about what it is like when a country slides into authoritarianism.

    What the fckk is Harris thinking having that woman at rallies? Utterly silly stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    “He has finally reached the final boss of the manosphere podcast universe….”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Interesting story about Trump's bibles.

    The state of Oaklahoma introduced laws recently that said that schools had to have a copy of the bible in its classrooms, and they also mandated other conditions that must be met. The bible must be the King James version, it must be leather bound (or similar), it must contain the U.S. Constitution, the Pledge of Allegiance and Declaration of Independence. Guess who produces bibles which meet this criteria? Those of Mr Donald Trump.

    It seems that schools basically told the state they're not gonna do it and now some of these additional stipulations have been removed in an effort to get them to comply.

    It's always a grift!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You mean to not control what Rogan could ask….



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