M11/N11 - M50 (J4) to Coyne's Cross (J14) [options published]

Wouldn't those at that end of Herbert Road potentially benefit from the buses on the N11, if they had (asked for?) the bus stops? And the active travel route? Also, will reduce the traffic into Bray via that route, opening more active travel/ access to the town.

Given part of the proposal is to improve the traffic flow at Hills, it's a bit apples and oranges to compare the current traffic flows to at the end of the scheme.

From reading comments on fb it seems that the general gripe is (a) there are no buses so why do we need a buslane (b) there are no buses that benefit me, so why do we need a buslane, (c) I've always used the Herbert rd junction so don't want to be inconvenienced.

Also seems to be a large number that don't understand the scope of the works and who cant read plans so just believe all the negative aspects of the project they read on social media.

I've mentioned this on others threads, but Tii need to be much more proactive in how they present projects and need to put more positive spin on them. It only feeds the naysayers and nimbys who want to derail projects.

One valid point I saw on FB was that in the main N11 plan, a service road would have been built between J6 and J7 to pick up Herbert Rd and the other minor accesses. In the bus lane plan, that is only being built as a small connecting road from J6 to Dargle Lane and Herbert Rd. will not be connected to it.

While you're right that there's some element of "I've always driven this way, why should I change"; it almost certainly will increase traffic within western Bray in the short term at least. Traffic patterns may shift subsequently, traffic evaporation may occur etc but that's a hard sell.

Front Page of the Wicklow Times devoted to Joe Behan/ residents opposing it.

Exactly. That junction is a disaster already with the traffic light timing giving priority to the other 3 arms of the junction. It's not uncommon to sit through 3 or 4 light changes when trying to get on to Killarney Road from Kilbride Lane which, if the Herbert Road junction is closed off, will be the only option anybody at the southern end of Herbert Road will have to access the N11 in either direction.

While I appreciate the councillors have to represent their electorate, they also need to understand the n11 is an important national route.

Every day, one junction journeys by people using it as a local road are having a serious impact on the traffic flows, ( often as there no other options, but this where links roads help).

The road needs to be upgraded, but every time the engineers and consultants design and propose plans, the councillors and noisey locals throw their toys out of the pram.

I'd say 90% of those complaints are about the Herbert Road junction. There's been a concerted campaign to keep it open, and it's not rich lawyer types, it's people who live in the estates on the west side of Bray.

I'd say they may revisit the larger N11 plan which included a link road between J6 and J7 that connected to Herbert Road.

he's probably only going to be Taoiseach for a year at most, he'll be limited in how many sweeties he can hand out in Wicklow.

Ans so much for the P&R at Fassaroe, wasn’t that meant to be done by now?

Hopefully the new planning legislation will make these types of things easier.

At first I thought they were just going to bow to local objections and leave the Enniskerry Road and Herbert Road junctions open. Section 5 of the report does at least contain alternative options for Enniskerry Road which, if combined with the J7 upgrade could close the Enniskerry road junction. Not sure what else can be done about Herbert Road though. I think they really need to more about J5, seems like a missed opportunity.

i can't keep up with the various proposals, but I thought the one which redirected the Enniskerry rd. up to the Berryfield roundabout and then linked with jn6 was a good idea, as it took the Enniskerry traffic away from jn7. This would also allow the closure of the Enniskerry turnoff and the conflicted flow with jn7 northbound off ramp