Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Coming on the LA Times owner declining to endorse Harris resulting in it's editorial editor resigning in protest, it does seem poor for her. Two major paper owners choosing to sit on the fence on such a nationally important issue doesn't bode well for US freedom of expression.

what’s the issue here? The prize is POTUS- there will only be one winner - there’s 2 weeks to go - posters are expressing a running commentary view on an Irish website where the vast majority of posters do not have a vote - if someone thinks “Harris should be doing more”- let them say why they think that- it’s a close race

- “but Trump” doesn’t cut it anymore -

neither here on this thread nor in America where the reality is - in fact “but Trump” is probably the single biggest error anyone could make right now -and given Harris’ change in what she’s saying I think even she accepts that - there’s been far more attempt at detail on policy independent thinking and trying to separate herself from Biden in the last week than there has been at any stage in this campaign

it’s a pathetic meaningless statement that has stifled conversation and discussion on this thread

it’s a pathetic meaningless statement that has stifled conversation and discussion on this thread

But it isn't, why shouldn't a light be shone on his ability and actions, I mean we know definitively what he is capable of in the role (and out of it), why shouldn't that reality be used to counter accusations against Harris that are clearly being made in judging her to a higher standard than Trump.

Every time, you hear 'but Trump', you should counter it with how the person is wrong, not demand they stop saying it.

The way polls are being used here to show Harris doing poorly as against Trump, I'm left wondering if Harris shouldn't pull a surprise out of the hat by doing a walkabout in a neighbourhood over the weekend doing a door to door "meet and greet" the actual electorate on their doorstep.

I know it'd be a longshot and things could go wrong if Trumpers got upset at her upstaging him but that's what her security and the cops are there to sort out. Any trouble from Trumpers would make headlines worth gold for Harris.

I would say, 'but Trump' if someone disingenuously starts talking about how bad Harris and/or the whole Democratic party is because it's always worth pointing out that Trump is the only one in the piece who incited a violent attack on the US Capitol. Usually this receives no response because there isn't really one, is there? It's the Trump card.

However, this isn't quite the same conversation as what Harris's strategy should be in the last two weeks of the election. I think most every voter knows what Trump is about. It may not hurt to drop reminders about who Trump is just to bring it back to the forefront of some dithering voters' minds, but the meat of it must be a strong, hopeful vision that rallies people and the positive things she intends to do. Something a bit electrifying.

“Every time, you hear 'but Trump', you should counter it with how the person is wrong, not demand they stop saying it.”

Why should I do that?

The only place that matters is America and the only people that matter are American voters - if some poster on here gets off saying “but Trump” every second post to absolutely everything that’s said as a criticism about Harris campaign all they’re showing me is that they don’t have the ability to discuss and debate objectively -

we’re on an Irish website observing what’s going on in a democratic election in another country - this baiting and stifling conversation and trolling is just boring at this point and I’m calling it for what it is - it makes the thread a complete toxic environment to post- its back to “oh you criticised Harris you must be a Trump supporter so” sort of rubbish

are you not bored with that line yourself at this stage? Polls are neck and neck and “but Trump” is the best some posters can reply with - where this is a discussion forum - I haven’t once seen these posters opinion on why the polls are where they are - some posters are making honest attempts to try - and their discussions are being shot down with “but Trump” -ha ha ha -very witty

PS- Sky News this evening - Trump leading 4/6 battleground states and one tied - good luck with “but Trump”!

Chomsky's 'manufacturing consent' talked about media owners subtly affecting news and opinion by selecting journalists who would favour the owners interests. When that fails, the blunt instrument is to just veto the journalists and force them to do outright propaganda.

If the US media had any spirit left, this would cause a massive outcry, walkouts and strikes. But it won't because there is no real press freedom left

He won't have a landslide victory. He might win the electoral college, or he might steal the election through the courts, like Bush JR did.

If that happens, we'll just all be along for the ride. Literally nothing we can do about it here in Ireland

Donald Trump is clearly exhausted today. Oh shoot, that was last week's memo on talking points.

Well firstly I’m in total agreement with you that she can walk away with her dignity intact if she loses- in fact I’ve said previously on this thread that the only people I would ultimately blame are dim supposed democrat voters who either didn’t vote or voted for an alternative candidate.

But yet I’m still being essentially labelled a “Trump supporter” - it’s boring and it’s bad faith posting at this stage .Ive made my position clear many times on this thread - I won’t be held hostage by some “gotcha” post (not yours btw) that’s just tiring at this point - and it won’t stop me criticising her strategy with two weeks to go and neck and neck polls - - if I feel it’s warranted- that I’m certain of

Posters on here, who are clearly anti-Harris keep saying she should be doing more. It's happening daily. She needs to reach out, she needs to spell out her policy on people who walk dogs and don't pick up their poop. It's nonsence.

i really don’t care - I’ve given very clear views on this thread and I reserve the right to criticise Harris if I feel she’s going in the wrong direction based on time left in the campaign and the polls -

I’ve always maintained people who don’t pick up dog poop should be shot on sight 🤪

But seriously -I do think some of her policy as posted here on this thread in the last few hours is a mixed bag / some of it is clear and some of it is not at all policy, just cobbled together “aspirational “ crap - that’s coming from someone who doesn’t want to see Trump elected -,so yes, I think she needs to make more of an effort in some aspects ……GIVEN THE POLLS.,

If she were way ahead, then no, keep doing what you’re doing

Regarding Harris calling Trump a fascist, this pretty much nails it

I think most have made up their mind at this stage. Will be interesting to see the results that's for sure.