Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

CramCycle · 24-10-2024 02:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757971#Comment_122757971

If someone gets triggered by that they shouldn't be in charge of a motor vehicle and should probably seek counselling before going out in public again.

Steoller · 24-10-2024 02:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757642#Comment_122757642

If they don't have the self control to stop themselves from using their car as a weapon, they shouldn't be behind a wheel.

24-10-2024 03:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122758664#Comment_122758664

Going on the wrong side of the road around the barrier

MojoMaker · 24-10-2024 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757971#Comment_122757971

Nooo….it was in support of your intention to report that driver!

Dr_Colossus · 24-10-2024 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757642#Comment_122757642

What trigger, as far as I can hear you said "well done on the overtake". You didn't endanger the driver, abuse them verbally, use profanities or damage their vehicle all which could be possibilities on the initial close pass in the heat of the moment. I often compliment drivers on "great progress" when they perform such stupid overtakes into red lights and slower moving traffic.

The first pass could be argued to be a misjudgment or lapse in concentration but that second pass is criminal, deliberate and at speed to endanger life. If it doesn't see penalty points and a fine at the very minimum given the video footage then there's no hope for our gardaí and justice system. Driver ideally needs 6 months off the road to reflect upon their actions and the possibility that could have been another fatality.

Seth Brundle · 24-10-2024 05:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122759128#Comment_122759128

I think my words were "learn how to overtake" given that he didn't really attempt to move into the other lane (because there was oncoming traffic).
Anyhow, I'll be passing it shortly so might pop into Leixlip Garda Station to get an opinion before I go any further (given AndrewJRenko's point that I also could end up in trouble 😳)

Colonel Panic · 25-10-2024 08:51AM

Had my first close call in a while. I was cycling into Terenure and a white van pulls into the yellow box at a junction without looking right once, all while calling someone barely blocking said yellow box a "spastic".

I had to slam pretty hard on the brakes. He looked like the kind of person who would not appreciate being told he was in the wrong so I gave him a stare and moved on.

"Whaaaaaaa?" he said.

tnegun · 25-10-2024 09:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122759382#Comment_122759382

When you cross to the other side overtaking, it looks like you're inside a gated private business park. Can AGS enforce road traffic here? It is also not a traffic island you must keep left of but a barrier, so both should be non-issues hopefully! The punishment pass takes place on a public road and that guy needs to be taught a lesson.

Seth Brundle · 25-10-2024 09:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122761251#Comment_122761251

It's Grange Castle Business Park and despite being IDA or Co Co owned, they are still public roads.

I showed the footage to a garda last night and while she can't say what other gardaí might do, she sees nothing wrong in my actions. The driver however could make a complaint about my manoeuvre.

magicbastarder · 25-10-2024 09:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122761251#Comment_122761251

as SB mentioned, a road does not need to be in public ownership for road traffic law to apply AFAIK. what's considered a public road is anywhere generally accessible to the public, so that includes supermarket car parks etc.

MojoMaker · 25-10-2024 11:26AM

The actions of the driver are too extreme here to be worried about nipping outside a traffic island, which is hardly an offence at any level.

25-10-2024 11:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122761297#Comment_122761297

It's not so much about whether they have a genuine concern about your manoeuvre.

It's about whether they feel like creating a deterrent to stop you making work for them by reporting drivers.

MojoMaker · 25-10-2024 11:38AM

Also this 👆️

Steoller · 25-10-2024 11:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122761297#Comment_122761297

So the only question left is, would you take a fine on the chin to see justice done to yer man?

MacDanger · 25-10-2024 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757527#Comment_122757527

Just report the 2nd pass on its own IMO

magicbastarder · 25-10-2024 11:48AM

what could the penalty be based on though? there's no 'keep left' sign on the island - are you legally obliged to keep left of unmarked islands?

Seth Brundle · 25-10-2024 12:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122761938#Comment_122761938

If (and when) I report it, it will be with a view of taking it to court (rather than ask the gardai to ask the driver to be nice).
If it went to court and I was asked if there was any other interaction between us, I'd obviously have to say yes and then it would look odd that I omitted that (plus the drive may have dashcam footage showing the interaction).

I'm working from home today and all my blank DVDs are in the office so I've to head back there later before I can report it.

magicbastarder · 25-10-2024 12:40PM

also, regardless of having to report the first 'interaction' so as to remain truthful, it establishes to a greater extent than the close pass was wilful.

monkeyslayer · 25-10-2024 08:03PM

Report it. As a cyclist they can't do you for much for your little crime, but a few penalty points, an increased insurance premium and hopefully a fine too is the least that driver deserves. Why are they always in bmws.

CramCycle · 25-10-2024 08:12PM

@Seth Brundle 40euro from me if you get fined from reporting it so no financial penalty. I'd pay that just to read the court report if he gets done over.

Cabaal · 28-10-2024 02:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122762018#Comment_122762018

Watching the video and thinking that black car OT wasn't that bad, then I skimmed ahead to the end and jesus christ that was close! They are going to kill somebody.

I'd be including all of the video, yes the Gardai may go after you but if it was me I'd take the hit….but then I'm a stubburn bastard! 😂

Seth Brundle · 31-10-2024 10:22AM

Finally got my statement down on paper in Leixlip station yesterday on my way to the office. No mention from the garda who took it about my line on the road, etc.

Anyhow this morning, I received a text from Garda Victim Services telling me that a letter with the Pulse number is in the post. Seems like AGS are taking it seriously.

Skrynesaver · 31-10-2024 11:46AM

Anyone had a brush with Dublin Express?

Had a driver come in tight on me as I was in the cycle lane on Custom House Quay this morning

Got a "We take complaints seriously" mail back from them, wondering if I should press for any video they have and whether to push further action…

JMcL · 31-10-2024 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122782441#Comment_122782441

Not as a cyclist but was on the bus itself on the way out to Heuston at rush hour a week ago. Not 100% sure what part of the quay but I think down towards Ushers Island I found the driver jammed the bus to the kerb right after overtaking a few bodies on bikes. It's a few years since I'd have been cycling along there myself so no idea if there's a continuous "cycle lane" or not. That said, even with the bus cutting me off, I don't think I'd have squeezed myself back up the inside of it like one lad did.

01-11-2024 09:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122782120#Comment_122782120

I've reported large numbers of incidents over the years, and I've heard of 'Garda Victim Services' let alone got a text or letter from them. It's just another example of the huge inconsistency of how different Gardai/Garda stations deal with these reports.

CramCycle · 06-12-2024 07:15AM

No idea if it was intentional or not but I effectively got Coal Rolled on the commute yesterday morning. Car looked like a Starlet/Corolla hatchback but when it came past the black smoke was so thick I couldn't see the road ahead had to roll into the ditch. Car behind me had to stop for a few seconds till it dissipated enough. I came out of the smoke and couldn't see it as bad up the road but had a permanent dry cough for the rest of the day. It was mental, like something James Bond would have used to confuse chasing cars.

Cabaal · 06-12-2024 09:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122927759#Comment_122927759

Sounds like a Trump supporter 😜

Seth Brundle · 12-12-2024 10:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757527#Comment_122757527

https://youtu.be/bTGpfoVe03U

Got a call from Clondalkin station a short while ago about this. The garda involved can't see anything wrong with the driving and was telling me that the footage as it stands would be seen in the same way by a court.

I obviously protested and asked the garda several questions such as would he have been happy to see that done to their child, if I swung a hammer the same distance away from someone would that be ok. I asked if they were in a squad car behind the incident, would they have stopped the BMW driver -apparently he wouldn't have.

He's going to ask colleagues for their thoughts before calling me back although my instinct is that he won't show it to anyone. Based on some things he said, I'm fairly sure that he didn't read my statement or watch the full video beforehand but obviously I can't prove this. Not that it matters but he mentioned that the speed limit was 40km/h and this is shown in the video - the speed limit is 60 and reduces to 40 just beyond where he overtook me.

Anyhow, I'll anxiously wait for the follow up call but I'm absolutely fuming at this and I assume that I can't really do anything about it 🤬

Dr_Colossus · 13-12-2024 11:53AM

Jasus and they wonder why the gardai have lost respect. If you don't hear anything further in the next few days can you lodge a separate TrafficWatch report via the new website and include a link to the above video. Maybe some more civic minded garda will see it and act upon it. Surely has to be the easiest case of Close Passing with resulting fine and penalty points but really needs to be a case of Dangerous (rather than careless) Driving given it shows intent.

Seth Brundle · 13-12-2024 01:26PM

The garda did say that he'd call me straight back - that was 15 hours ago so I'm not feeling too optimistic.

As for re-submitting it, to my knowledge it would end up back in Clondalkin Station (regardless of how/where I report it). I'm just amazed that my recent court appearance involved something much less serious in comparison and the garda was 100% behind me. This time, I just don't understand how my interpretation of events (which aligns with the responses posted here) differs so much from the garda's.

I fully agree with you that the driving style shows intent to intimidate me by endangerment.

Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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