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Greatest League in the World 2025 [LOI Thread]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    A period of complete Pats domination is on the horizon, similar to Kennys Dundalk. No one else is close to Kennys management at this level, and Pats are already the best team in the league by considerable ease, and will only get better.

    Dismantled Shels all over the field, and on another day, Shels wouldn't of got two outrageous goals to rally behind, and would have been soundly beaten. As it happened, Pats should of been out of sight, but Shels were robbed in the end.

    This is all only going one way though. Don't see how anyone gets close to Pats in the coming years. Shels, if they regroup, and further improve and Duff stays, could possibly put in a challenge, but need more potency consistently.

    One of the reasons I felt Shels would win this year, was because they had direction, worked harder than anyone else, carried belief. All the strenghts I attributed to Shels, Pats now have too, but play far better, quicker and more dangerous football. Theres' a confidence and swagger in this Pats teams now, aligned with hard work, playing for each other etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    What are the bookies smoking? Pats will tear them apart. Literally a level or two above Derry, and are at home. Had Kenny got hold of them from the start of the season, they would of ran away with the league

    The odds for Pats to win the league next year should be decent though. Lump on. And the 8/5 against Derry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,258 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Surely Shels only need the return of Jarvis to romp the league?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    It could happen, and if it does, we'd be number one again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭trashcan


    It seems weird o say it, but Iwish you’d stop talking us up too much. It makes me nervous, or is there a bit of reverse psychology going. On ?

    Anyway, while I’m feeling positive about next season, I’m not counting too many chickens. Things can change quite quickly in football and there is no guarantee that we’ll start next year in the form we’re in now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭mattser


    Great thread. Pat's man here. Miracles happen but I think it's between Shels & Rovers. May the best men win. Assuming we put Derry away tomorrow. What a season we've all had, and it ain't over yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    No, no reverse psychology. I'd back a team every year heavily, backed Shels this year. Italy for Euro 21 etc. Will be backing Pats next year, and like Shels this year, there will be value on them. Think about it logically, Dundalk were winning the league with 2.5 points per game averages, Pats will improve further, and tbh, aren't all that far off that standard. That puts them ahead of Rovers, even at their best. I know what I seen from them in Tolka, a well drilled team, working for each other, with lightning pace and their ball playing and chemistry starting to sync. They will literally run away with it.

    So no reverse phscology at all, and tbh, Shels may well be their closest challenge. People think since Shels form dropped off a cliff, we're seeing the real Shels now. We actually seen the real Shels in round 1. A well oiled machine, bulldozing through teams, like Chelsea under Mourinho. When they regroup before next season, may get back there.

    People laugh, but the bug in the Shels camp in the second round of games, really effected momentum. Actually took 3 weeks to run through the whole camp. By then, confidence down and momentum gone. Hard to get that back. They actually did though, then Jarvis and Molloy left, and again had to change how they played. But if Shels can regroup, and get back to where they were during the first round of games this year, could put in a challenge.

    I just say it how I see it, said all season Rovers and Derry are no good. But what I'm seeing from Pats lately, is different level stuff. Right now are already by far the best team in the league, have just left it too late. But starting from next year, should run away with it tbh. Ill be sticking 3 or 400 on them tbh. You'd think youd get at least 8/1 on them.

    This isn't just a good run of form from Pats. You can see the structure and direction from management. They're only going to get better, and Kenny has the financial backing. There's a period of Pats domination on the horizon tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Yep, Pats have left it too late, its Shels to lose. Next yeat though, Pats walk it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭mattser


    Too soon to say that. The 2 goals Shels got in Tolka against Pats were deserving of a league title, but were beat. I hope Shels do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Pats were worth their win that night over the 90 minutes, but Shels did rally, and got robbed in the end. An outrageous call to give Pats a free out at the death, when a last man tackle stopped Shels being in for a third



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭MarkSRFC21


    Some serious hyperbole them but how can you say a price will be value before the price exists. If it’s such a certainty they certainly won’t be 8/1. Think pats will be v dangerous alright and have been v v sharp but no guarantees they’ll start next season as they finish this season. Hard to believe Rovers will start as badly as they did and themselves and Derry will surely strengthen. FWIW I think Shels will just about get over the line this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    For the same reason Shels were good value this year. Bookies couldn't make Pats favourites, as they've no previous success or anything to back it up, other than what people would say is a little run of "good form". Hence a value bet. But its not just good form, it's progression of a system and style, Kenny ingrained in Dundalk. What people are calling good form from Pats, is actually standards just being raised.

    It's the manner in how they are playing, its structured, there's discipline and direction, and will just improve. They are getting to the level his Dundalk team were at, will improve further, and has financial backing. This isn't just a run of good form, Pats are raising the standard to the level Kenny had his Dundalk team at. There's consistency and structure in his system, proven in this league, and he has Pats very much heading in that direction!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭MarkSRFC21


    Getting into the weeds here but nothing can be a value bet if you don’t know the price. And bookies will make them favourites if they are the likely winners. Again they’re on a great run and will be v dangerous next year but a comparing them to that Dundalk side and what they achieved is crazy at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    I'm not saying they will be 8/1, I'm guessing. They left their run late, therefore bookies won't see them as a cert next year, percentage wise would have to put their run down to good form. There's nothing to back up them winning it next year, Rovers be favourites, then Derry, then Pats, then Shels.

    It's all a statistics game, and if you see something that deviates from the statistics and probable outcome percentages the bookies play, you can get value. I seen something in the last 4 games last season in Jarvis, the bookies or other Shels fans didn't even see, they were still saying Harry Wood was better. But I seen him rip Rovers apart in Tallaght by himself, that everyone else missed it. So great value.

    Everyone will be of the opinion of yourself, and the other Pats fans here, too early to say how it will go, bookies the same, so they'll probably land in around 8/1, I'm just guessing. But for me they are a cert. Whatever about probable percentages, I know what I've seen with them, likewise with Jarvis last year. They're the complete package, still improving every game. They're a value bet, or will be, I guarantee it



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    UCD lost 2-1 in Kosovo yesterday in the UEFA Youth League. By accounts, we had our chances, just didn't take them, so all to play for in the reverse fixture in two weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,660 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    And don't forget your Euro 24 Italy prediction too, up there with some of your best hyperbolic waffle.

    You can just discuss stuff you know, you don't always have to try and be the smartest boy in the class.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Pat's will be favourites with the bookmakers next year, the market dictates the prices not the statistics and every Tom, Dick and Harry is calling it for Pat's already.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 35,193 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Don't forget AC Milan and how they would lift the Champions league as they were just so much better than everyone else... that they would take Inter with ease in the semi as they were like the old Milan etc etc . Talked up so many teams, wrong so many times.

    Think Shels started to flounder once they got the nod to be champions in here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭trashcan


    I too think GM is indulging in hyperbole regarding Pats next year. But I can’t say I’m not enjoying it 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    All Pat's need to do is keep their squad of players and add a couple of quality proven players at this level and they'll be the obvious favourites as with SK in charge, they have a proven winner.

    You don't even need Europe to secure finance either, Kelleher is worth a fortune, although he won't want to have to be financing it too much and probably the reason why he brought SK in on a huge contract



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,007 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    If Pats really are 8/5 to beat us tomorrow night, I'd nearly have a punt myself!

    We have a lot of players missing. Down to the bare bones, especially in defence. Connolly is suspended, with Coll and Doherty are injured. So Shane McEleney will have to start, which greatly worries me, especially beside Wisdom. Two of them are very slow. Boyce will start RB, but not sure who will play LB? Perhaps young Idehen might have to start his 1st game? And thought he was a CB rather than full back.

    For a game we have to win, I don't have much hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,104 ✭✭✭kksaints


    We're missing Mulraney, Elbouzedi and Melia apparently so there's a fair amount of pace gone from our attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,007 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Kenny was always very strong at player recruitment in the LOI and he'll pretty much have first pick on any returning players from his time in the Ireland set up. Afolabi has flopped in Belgium/Dutch first division so probably won't be long until he's back. Has a Kenny signing written all over him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭trashcan


    If we can hold onto the squad we have I don’t see the need for much recruitment myself. Rumours of Adam O’Reilly returning would make sense if the rumours of Jamie Lennon departing for the US are true. I think we have decent cover around the squad, so I can’t see a lot of new bodies coming in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,107 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Rovers outplaying Larne here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,007 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Difference in class between the leagues showing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Wasn't there talk of Sean Maguire signing? The defence needs reinforcements anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭CSF




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    Larne were dreadful this evening. Facile win for Rovers.



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