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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Seen some videos on X of the Israeli's sitting on deck chairs drinking and enjoying themselves as bombs drop on Gaza. Applause and cheering included. Like honestly what the heck is wrong with these people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,251 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The utter contradiction to say that Israel has to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, ambulances, tents full of cowering women and children, killing dozens at a time and mutilating many times more, 'for self defence' on the justification that Hamas are still a threat and 'it's a war, bad things happen in war'

    Meanwhile, these 'settlers' will happily set up camp a few hundred metres away from the active war zone knowing that they're safe and Hamas can't hurt them.

    This isn't a war, it's a massacre. Hamas are not able to fight back, the people of Gaza are not putting up any meaningful resistance. Its absolutely disgusting that anyone would defend this, knowing now, what many have known for a year, that this is just a pretext to annex more land from Palestine, push Gazans into the sea and steal the land.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭taratee


    Only one group of people who want to do that in Gaza and that is Hamas, as per the Hamas Covenant. Their commitment to destroying Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world is there in black and white. Take some time translate and read it.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    One side demonstrates it though their action and the other side demonstrate it through their covenant. You support the former and condemn the latter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭taratee


    There is no contradiction. Everyone knows what Hamas uses those buildings for. They use human shields also. Plenty of reports out there to back this up. This is a war and bad things happen. Hamas are not able to fight back now. I agree. Why don't they surrender and return the hostages? That'd be a start. Do you agree?

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Amit Soussana was held as a hostage by Hamas for 55 days. She was sexually assaulted by one of the terrorists. She has spoken at the UN Security Council to call for more to be done to get the remaining hostages released.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-825890



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,802 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    You say that Hamas uses human shields. By that I assume you mean that they operate in areas where civilians are.

    Meanwhile, Israel uses actual human shields. they kidnap Palestinians and force them to walk ahead of them or enter building first. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-human-shields-israel-military-gaza-intl/index.html

    Now, will you condemn that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    all the hamas terrorists have to do is safely return the many israeli and foreign hostages



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭taratee


    Taken from one of the dozen reports I found online.

    Hamas’ most common uses of human shields include:

    • Firing rockets, artillery, and mortars from or in proximity to heavily populated civilian areas, often from or near facilities which should be protected according to the Geneva Convention (e.g. schools, hospitals, or mosques).
    • Locating military or security-related infrastructures such as HQs, bases, armouries, access routes, lathes, or defensive positions within or in proximity to civilian areas.
    • Protecting terrorists’ houses and military facilities, or rescuing terrorists who were besieged or warned by the IDF.
    • Combating the IDF from or in proximity to residential and commercial areas, including using civilians for intelligence gathering missions.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Putin must be getting awfully nervous, so openly supporting Islamic terrorists and Iran must have got him on an Israeli 💩 list



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    This takes the biscuit for one of the dumbest posts on the thread.

    You don't think Oct 7th was an action to demonstrate their precious covenant to exterminate the Jews?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    holocaust definition:

    destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.

    Have you seen what Gaza looks like now, there's barely a building left standing. A holocaust is a valid description.

    A UN commission have described what's happening in Gaza as a policy of extermination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,251 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This is a lie, because Netenyahu has not said he will end the war if the hostages are released. In fact, Hamas, have said their condition for releasing the hostages is that the Israelis pull out. Netenyahu refuses.

    Hamas could release every hostage in the morning, The Israelis will not stop attacking until their real objectives are attained. The hostages are nothing but pawns for both sides, but don't even try to argue that the Israelis actually care that much about getting them out safely. It's a pretext for their real objective, to implement their final solution in Gaza, Razing it to the ground, expelling all the Palestinians and taking the land for themselves. (They might implement some kind of 'Ghetto' system for a while to keep any remaining Palestinians contained so they don't disturb the new residents too much)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,353 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's so horrible for the children. No schools, no education, no parents maybe, no hope. Many will probably get the hell out of there when they can and try and make their way to Europe with not much going for them and no education and will be subjected to the doctors and engineers jibes and hated by everyone and looked down upon. All because USA/UK/Germany armed these scumbags to the teeth and let them wipe them out. It's f**king horrific how disgusting the human race can be. I had to leave twitter today, hopefully forever, as you have people on there cheering on 11 year olds being murdered by the IDF for throwing rocks. Humanity is on a one way path to self destruction and we deserve it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,251 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Where is the IDF headquarters located? Just out of curiosity?

    Would you consider this a residential area?

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    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,935 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,251 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It was a raid. A bloody one, but if you think this was any kind of existential threat to the state of Israel, you are totally deluded.

    In contrast, the IDF are razing Gaza to the ground, and there are ultra right wing zionist settlers lining up to go an claim that land for themselves, backed up completely by the Israeli military, and a sizable chunk of the ruling government ministers in Israel.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    You will need to explain how exactly the events of Oct 7th resulted in the extermination of Jews



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭TokTik


    If you look up maniacal hyperbole in the dictionary, the above would be under it.

    The Gazans tried peaceful protesting back in 2000, no weapons, just a peaceful march to the border fence. I’ll let the IDF scumbag in this news report tell you how it went.

    https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-snipers-brag-about-deliberately-crippling-gaza-protesters?amp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Dup



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The above is an example of othering, justifying the slaughter of innocents with a whole lot of victim blaming thrown in for good measure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    No, not really.

    Just pointing out your hypocritical stance on the War.

    But seeing as you ignored all my points, I assume i hit a nerve with you. I repeat.

    You, and people like you, appropriate the language of the WW2, and now apply it to the situation in Gaza. Words like Genocide, Holocaust, Extermination and Concentration Camp are thrown about in an attempt to create some sort of parallel with Auschwitz and reincarnate the Jew as the world's new resident evil. It's simly pathetic.

    You're trying to build a narrative, like the tankies with Russia, and how it's all the 'West's', Eu's, Nato's' and in this case, Israel's, fault.

    Another poster pointed it out. You're all obsessed with Jews. There's very little interest in either Palestine or Palestinians or a peaceful Hamas free future for the region.

    Given the choice of a Hamas surrender, or the death of children, people like you will choose the death of children because Israel being defeated in battle and the 'Zionist entity' being erased from the region is your main concern.

    If any of you had ever been to Auschwitz you'd realise that Concentration Camps didn't have sandy beaches, restaurants, artists and a tourist industry.

    No one ever left Auschwitz for 14 days in Gran Canaria and then returned to tell everyone else all about it, and how they should consider a little holiday for themselves.

    Most importantly the Jews couldn't end the Holocaust by simply releasing some hostages, renouncing violence and committing to a peaceful democratic based future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,230 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Israelis will always be looking over their shoulders. No peace is ever attained by genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    It's not othering.

    It's not justifying the slaughter of anyone.

    And there's no victim blaming.

    It's a non pro-Hamas commentary on the war. And you're uncomfortabe with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You've really swallowed the Kool-Aid on that. The zionists are like the abusive husbands who comes home drunk every night and batters his wife but explains to everyone why it's her fault for making him do it and that she's the one who is attacking him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    That last sentence of yours is utterly despicable. If the same was said about women murdered on October 7th who were married to Israeli soldiers it would be equally grotesque



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I mean this has been debunked by the zionists themselves many times. They have been clear that there are "additional steps" which they will continue with even if they got them all back today.

    In addition, they had a chance to get their citizens back (obviously excluding the ones they had "Hannibal Directive'd" to pieces on the day themselves) if they had stayed out of Gaza for long enough at the beginning. They weren't interested. They chose to go on their genocidal spree instead.

    There is no point in them expressing faux outrage or concern at this point. The hostages in Gaza have been mere pawns and sacrificial lambs on the alter of zionist land-grabbing. They could have gotten them back, and they could have released the many more Palestinian hostages they have in their own detention centres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,230 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Reading some of the comments here and if they are replicated in Israel then i'm beginning to understand why Hamas acted in the way they did even though it was reprehensible. Years and years of human rights abuses, murder and detention without trial, having their homes and lands stolen probably contributed a lot towards what happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Indeed. The fact that the Chicago chapter of "Black Lives Matter" posted a drawing of a paraglider with the Palestinian flag on his sails the 7th of October suggests that certain minds had been made up long before any Israeli response. As you may recall, Hamas used paragliders to cross into Israel and begin murdering, raping and kidnapping Jews.

    But if you watch something truly sickening, you can watch a video of the President of South Africa visiting the BRICS summit in Kazan, Russia, sucking up to Vladimir Putin. The same South Africa who made the claim against Israel of "genocide" at the International Court of Justice. You know, because of their "duty to prevent genocide" or whatever. Of course, you can draw your own conclusions, but for me, this video explains everything.

    South Africa's Ramaphosa Hugs Putin, Hails Ties With Russia | BRICS 2024 | Firstpost Africa

    https://u24.gov.ua/
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    Help us in helping Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    The word 'Genocide' is being devalued. By people for you. For instance, Lebanon is now being labelled a 'Genocide'. It's not.

    The concept of anti-semitism is being diminished by people like you who need to have it devalued in order to maintain a charade of 'Honest Broker' commentary, that nothing anyone posts could ever possibly be termed antisemitic.

    I mean, have you ever stopped to wonder where did all the antisemitic's go? Apparently, they've all disappeared off the face of the planet. Not one anywhere, certainly not on this thread, even if you do support Hamas.

    Here's a little illumination for you.

    They've all just rebranded as anti-Zionist, because that phrase has plausible deniability built in as seen below.

    This is from an EU document on Right wing conpiracy theories.

    A strong overlap between right-wing, Islamist and left-wing extremism undoubtedly lies in the anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. In this regard, anti-Zionismn may be used as a stand-in term for “Jews” in conspiracy theories, thus making it more difficult to unravel antiSemitic malicious narratives on the alleged Jewish global power.

    It might come as a surprise to you that the only people who yell Zionist as loudly as some on here are the KKK and other right wing Aryan supramecy groups, but, as you say, have at it.



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