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Bad smell from Washer / Dryer

  • 22-10-2024 02:19PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭


    Im not 100% sure this is the right place to post but not sure where else to post it.

    Have a really frustrating problem that I can't pinpoint the source of a bad smell from my washing machine/dryer.

    We have a new washing machine and heat pump dryer in the house, bought about 18months ago. For the last couple of months when we go through a wash and dry cycle the clothes end up with this horrible smell....it's like a drain smell.

    Then I noticed that the hose for the washing machine drain was just stuffed down a standpipe without a trap. So I figured it was a bad small coming back up and getting into the machine somehow. I have since connected into the trap so that should have stopped it - but it hasn't. (We have a septic tank for our wastewater, if that makes any difference)

    The smell is there on the clothes and you can notice it as soon as the washing machine is finished and it's opened. It's not there at other times, only when the washing machine is used

    It can vary in intensity in how bad the smell is. It is especially noticeable in the room when the dryer is running - I guess it releases some vapour/steam from the clothes that escapes into the room and carries the smell with it

    It's driving us bananas, we regularly clean filters etc in the machine, have run empty hot cycles to flush it out, sometimes using vinegar or baking powder. It feels like sometimes that works temporarily but whatever the root cause is is still there!!

    Have never experienced a smell like this in any other house with any other washing machine. First house with a septic tank - don't know if it's anyway related - but we had that emptied last month too in the process of elimination but doesn't seem to have made any difference.

    We use a non-bio washing powder - wondering would a bio washing powder help maybe?

    Anyone with any advice would be really appreciated.

    Thanks in advance



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭10-10-20


    Hi, this is most likely a stinky bacterial film that is growing on the internal drum of the washing machine. They commonly give off a sulphur or eggy smell and can be a lot worse if clothes are left overnight as the bacteria spread. The film can grow due to excess soap and softener and also debris from the wash process and also can be worse when low-temperature washes are frequently used. We had it most frequently when the kids were small and the washing machine was almost constantly in use.

    The trick that works for us is to use a good quality soap and not to overload the softener. Also take clothes out soon after a wash and leave the door open afterwards so that the innards dry out. Then clean off the door seal (in the crevasses and all around it) with a washing machine cleaner product (most supermarkets have the special liquid) and do an empty hot steam/boil cycle around once a week for a few weeks to kill off the bacteria.

    It hasn't returned to ours in around a year so far.

    Good luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭whizbang


    +1

    dont use conditioner/softener at all, and run dryer on low temperature. Condenser dryers sometimes run higher temps to help speed up drying, but this burns the excess soap softener left in the clothes, which can smell bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    You'd need to identify whether this smell is coming from the washing machine or the dryer. They're both capable of producing it.

    If it's the washing machine, you can get cleaners like https://www.bosch-home.ie/en/product/cleaning-and-care/cleaning-products/for-washing-machines/00311925 which seem to work reasonably well.

    Run the machine on very hot washes with towels and use a good quality powder detergent like Ariel or Persil - the normal bio version.

    Unfortunately a lot of the more eco friendly detergents and ones that contain no enzymes don't remove biofilms from inside machines.

    If you're in a hard water area, you can also get build up of limescale in the machine, which can make it easier to gunk up. In that case, a washing machine cleaner product will descale the machine.

    If the smell is coming from the dryer, you may have a more complicated problem to solve.

    Heat pump dryers are relatively new technology, and a lot of the problems have been ironed out mostly by the more expensive manufacturers like Miele and BSH (Bosch, Siemens, NEFF) etc and so on have been working on this for >20 years. The tech only really gone mass market in a big way in the last 5-10 years, and some of the designs are just not great.

    Heat pump dryers do not get very hot. They work like an air conditioner or dehumidifier in a closed loop. There's a unit in the bottom which contains a heat exchanger that's connected to the evaporator and condenser side of a refrigeration cycle. The hot air from the drum is drawn into the cold side of the condenser, the water drops out, and then it's reheated using the same heat that was removed from it and returned to the drum again. The heat pump also draws some heat from the environment to heat the air to a decent temperature, but it's never very very hot.

    They are not traditional 'condenser' dryers which used air-to-air condensers and often ran VERY hot (to the point they weren't great for clothes). Heat pump dryers don't even contain heating elements.

    If the condensate system is blocked or if there's some issue where somehow bacteria and lint is stuck in there it has the potential to get quite smelly.

    The only solution to that is usually to flush out the condenser and that's really only something that can be done by a maintenance technician. I wouldn't suggest trying it yourself, as you'll likely wreck the machine.

    So basically identify what the issue actually is first - it could be either machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭ongarite


    The poster has a combo washer/dryer.

    I had one of these also & had same issue at times. Religious cleaning of door seals & letting it dry with door open.

    The combo washer dryer basically steam heat the clothes dry which makes bacterial growth easier. As above also, for non cotton fabrics you shouldn't be using fabric softener.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    Washer-dryers are generally good washing machines and disastrous dryers that barely meet the definition of a dryer at all.

    There's a significant issue though with detergent. One of the problems is that the UK and by overspill, as we have the same products, Ireland, are very fixated on non-bio detergent. It all goes back to a 1970s tabloid drama over Persil Bio. Basically, Proctor and Gamble had launched Ariel which was one of the first synthetic detergents with enzymes, and it worked very well. Lever Bros had been producing fairly traditional Persil which wasn't even suitable for front-loaders, which were only starting to become popular. Then they launched a 'Persil Automatic' and some of the early versions of it seem to have caused a stir due to causing allergies.

    They then launched Persil Non-Bio, which was just the old formula, as a PR clean up basically. The result was that people started to associate Bio with allergies and the UK and Ireland market became uniquely fixated on the idea that non-bio is hypoallergenic / sensitive. In reality they're just old chemical based formulations that don't necessarily work very well and they aren't sold in other markets - they usually just have "Sensitive" or "Free and Clear" which usually means no scents and allergens added, but they do contain enzymes. A lot of our non-Bio products are highly scented, and not necessarily very hypoallergenic at all.

    Anyway, to cut a long story short, various analyses, mannanases, glycosidases, lipases and so on in normal detergents are extremely good at breaking down proteins, starches and lipids, which means they tend to flush away biofilms very effectively. Non-bio is relying just on just the chemical components : surfactants, squestrants and bleach (peroxide) etc and just isn't as capable of breaking stuff down. The liquid and capsule versions don't contain bleach btw, so are even less likely to remove biofilms.

    People using non-bio, short, luke warm washes and fabric softener is probably the main reason why this part of the world is extremely prone to having this issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,207 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    My guess is that the condenser on the drier has gunk on it.

    I have a stand alone normal condensing dryer and I have to take it out regularly as the lint filter seems to be hit and miss.

    Plain dishwasher tablets at 60 in an empty wash work for the washing machine.

    As noted above using good quality detergents, can also help.

    If you use the good detergents in the right amount, will not be any more expensive than the cheaper crap

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭ongarite


    a washer dryer doesn’t have a condenser. They have heating coil on top of machine that’s blows warm air into drum, steams the clothes & then pumps away water out of drum like on a washing cycle.
    Basically a bad dryer & awful for delicate clothes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    There are several designs of washer-dryer around.

    The first ones just had fan and heater on top of the drum and blew warm air in through a slot over the door, and vented it straight out the back without any condensing at all. They would steam up the whole house and were pretty primitive. That type hasn't been made since the early 1980s.

    Those worked quite well, but they exhausted so much steam that they weren't very practical. They usually had no way of connecting them to an exhaust hose.

    Then they moved to using mains cold water to cool a compact condenser and pumping the waste water, condensate and lint down the drain. That's been the usual way of doing it since the 1980s. They will take in a short shot of water every so often and run the pump from time to time. Those machines ran very hot and are usually a total disaster as dryers - they tend to cook your clothes.

    In more recent times, some of them have moved on to using a heat pump. These are usually pretty expensive models, but deploy the same technology as a heat pump dryer, just on a more compact scale that's capable of withstanding heavy vibration..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭Sleamhain


    Wow, this got more detailed responses than I expected - thanks for the info. Definitely a few things to try out there to sort it.

    Just to clarify, maybe it wasn't clear in my first post but we have a separate washer and dryer. Both were bouoght brand new at the same time about 18months ago



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