Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

Millions of plastic bottles are now no longer going to waste.

You dont know that. No-one does. There's no transparency.

Lots of obvious major "tweaks" needed have been ignored. Bin surrounds are way down this list. Nonsense.

The root issue of plastic has not been addressed. Its just been dressed up in Green propaganda with this scheme so it can continue being used.

No publication of total unclaimed deposits. The circular economy minister says Re-Turn wont give him this info 🤣

Re-Turn has been a success alright. Successful in pretending to fix a problem and taking 10s of millions of euro from customers with zero accountability.

Alongside monthly total plastic bottles sold in 2024 to compare with the last 10 years.

It doesn't matter how many dozen times this stuff gets posted on this thread, you will have to wait until the scheme is going for a year.

(May 2024) Return rates The Irish Scheme began on 1 February 2024. Retailers are still phasing out non-logo and non-deposit drinks containers on shelves until the end of the transition period, 31 May 2024. Therefore, Ireland will not have a full year of the scheme in action until 1 June 2025 to assess more accurate return metrics. The assumption of an equal number of containers sold daily throughout the year, 5 million per day, doesn’t align with the actual sales pattern of drink containers. Peak periods, such as Christmas and the summer months, significantly impact sales. Additionally, this method fails to consider the volume of non-deposit stock sold by retailers during the transition period until 31 May 2024.

There is no such thing as an unpaid deposit. It can be collected any time in the future.

Takes more than 5 minutes when the machine is broken though.

And there are always cans the machine will reject so you don't get your money back.

The machine sucked my receipt back in one day. Lost a few quid there.

Theoretically, yes, any one deposit may be reclaimed at any point in the schemes future.

But not every deposit paid will be reclaimed, so a time based probability will be factored in. An accounting rule will be adopted as a mechanism to release unclaimed deposits. (Sidenote: the very funding model underpinning re-turn is to use unclaimed deposits to run the scheme).

Same in the Netherlands and in Denmark. If there's a return point in Schiphol or Billund, its not marked anywhere.

Berlin BER has at least one in a shop in the concourse areas before security, didn't see any beyond.

It doesn't matter how many times you post this because its our money. We should see stats for total refunded deposits v unrefunded every month. Same goes for returned containers v containers sold so the public don't have to wait a year to (maybe) be kept informed. Pathetic excuses about Christmas sales are just that. Pathetic.

5 million sales a day in August = 155 m. 112 m returns. 112/155x100 = 72.26%. George is going along with the received wisdom that every day there are 5 million sales. Like the experts here he just ignores seasonal variations. Nonsense calculation. And this is not the first time that RTE journalists have done this nonsense.

Used a return machine for the first time last weekend. The car boot has a subfloor where we put out empties that's now full. Surprisingly fast and easy in Tesco Rathfarnham. €10 voucher spent in store.

I wonder what percentage reduction in plastic litter Coastwatch have noticed, similar to the 30% reduction on land?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/1024/1477146-bottle-collection/

3.50 (+25c deposit) per 500ml bottle.

I found tetra paks of water in another shop (similar to DAA's set up) for 2 euro.....after I'd bought the expensive bottles, of course!

(Sorry for off topic reply)

This quote from the RTE article makes the distinction between "placed on the market" and "sold".

collection rates reported for the scheme are calculated based on the volume of containers collected for recycling as a percentage of the total volume of containers placed on the Irish market.

The term "placed on the market" means the number of bottles and cans made available by producers for sale or distribution rather than actually sold.

This initiative very soon will be embedded practice in Irish life and will deliver a very successful reduction in waste. It's proponents will be forgotten, never thanked for their idea or execution of it, and the general public will move on to complain about the next big thing.

The port tunnel, national motorway network, rural broadband, schools capital programme were similar in their trajectory in public opinion, and in time the children's hospital will be the same.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1026/1477541-deposit-return-scheme/

Oh dear, I don't know who to believe now!! But in fairness "placed on the market" does not necessarily equate to being purchased. Awaiting comment from ReTurn.

Is this real ?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9nCMAzPJAG/?igsh=bndycjVqY256NWU5