Israel are going to start WWIII

Nail on the head.

Interesting thread from this Israeli academic. He reckons Israel has become a death cult of sorts, in love with the idea of genocide and a 'forever war' (they seem to have a lot in common with the nihilism and destructiveness of the Nazis IMO).

If anyone had any doubt that the current action in Gaza is solely to remove Hamas operatives, guess again.

Starving everyone in the North of Gaza, denying aid, denying medicines (including Polio vaccines) is a war crime.

If Israel continues as it is, this will remove all doubt from the minds of the rest of the world that Israel is currently committing genocide. This would be prime facie evidence of genocide for the ICJ to consider.

The evidence book for the case just gets fatter and fatter every day.

No wonder the pro-Israelis are getting nervous.

The General's plan - Haaretz editorial yesterday:

Has Israel really begun implementing the program of siege and starvation advocated by Maj. Gen. (res.) Giora Eiland, often called "the generals' plan"?

Two weeks ago, the Israel Defense Forces began operating in Jabalya, in the northern Gaza Strip. The operation was billed as an attempt to damage the military infrastructure that Hamas had managed to rebuild. But residents of Jabalya, senior defense officials and the international community all suspect that Israel has effectively begun implementing Eiland's criminal plan.

Make no mistake, Eiland's plan is a war crime, and it runs contrary to UN Security Council decision 2334, which states that land may not be taken through force, referring to acts of war.

It calls for Israel to evacuate all the residents of northern Gaza to humanitarian zones farther south. Anyone who nevertheless chooses to stay would be considered a Hamas operative and could be killed.

In addition, while the Palestinians in southern Gaza would receive humanitarian aid, in the north, residents who chose to stay would be starved.

In Israel, where the concepts of population transfer, the denial of humanitarian aid, expulsion, occupation and mass killing have been normalized, there are many takers for these war crimes packaged as a "plan."

For cabinet members who view the war as a historic opportunity to return to the Gaza Strip, Eiland's plan is the silver platter on which renewed Jewish settlement in the Strip will be served.

Only after the Biden administration sent a letter giving Israel 30 days to allow the delivery of more humanitarian aid to Gaza in general and northern Gaza in particular or risk a cutoff of American military aid did Israel agree to let in aid.

But foreign diplomats say the quantities are far below what is needed. This intentional humanitarian crisis – a shortage of water and food, besieged hospitals, virtually no building left standing, hundreds of people killed and countless wounded – combined with the military pressure has also raised suspicions among Jabalya residents that the real goal is to force them to move southward.

That is why they aren't crossing the Netzarim corridor into southern Gaza, but are instead moving west of Gaza City, which is still in the north, and seeking shelter there. Residents say they refuse to cross the Netzarim corridor for fear that the army won't allow them to return (Jack Khoury, Tuesday's Haaretz in Hebrew).

Israel, predictably, has denied that it is implementing the generals' plan. But the international community's fears haven't eased, and rightly so, because the situation on the ground tells a different story. There is no way to explain the mistreatment of Jabalya residents, except as part of a plan to push them permanently southward.

Israel must increase humanitarian aid to northern Gaza and end its attempts to displace its residents. And it must certainly refrain from carrying out any plans for expulsion, starvation and siege. The war in Gaza must be ended by moving forward on a deal to bring the hostages home and the declaration of a cease-fire.

Your friend is paranoid and a beacon of the victimhood washing over some Israelis

Here is another one

The vast majority of Israelis did not go through a holocaust themselves

A question for the resident zionists on here

1. Why does she deserve to kick people of their land and steal it?

If anyone dared utter the inverse of what she said, they would be banned from the airwaves before you could attempt to complain and probably be charged with hate speech. But it is OK for zionists to say such things…. apparently

I think the get-out-of-jail card for those supplying the weaponry to Israel so they can carry out their genocide is that the supple had the caveat of of "for use within the bounds of International Law". Biden certainly came out earlier and threatened to pull the 2000lb bombs on that basis.

In the case of the ICC, if Netanyahu and Gallant are arrested, prosecuted and found guilty, I don't think there will be any further action. The ICC can only prosecute individuals - not groups of people or Sates. So unless the ICC investigate the individuals supplying arms (which I'd doubt very much - plausible deniability), it will stop with the two Israelis.

On the other hand, the ICJ prosecutes States, not individuals. And it has no "prosecutor" - it hears cases put by one or more States against another. Again, whatever the result against Israel, the ICJ has no remit to prosecute other States - unless another State brings a case against them. So again, once ICJ have given their judgment, I believe that will be end of it.

Moving forward then, if the ICJ find the charges of Genocide against Israel to be not proven, then fair enough. But Netanyahu/Gallant could still be found guilty of war crimes. The two cases are mutually exclusive. Of course, the two lads could also either not be prosecuted at all or found not guilty. In that case, I'm sure Israel will breath a heavy sigh of relief. But of course, the rest of the world would know what they did and still pillory them for it for many decades.

If the ICJ find Israel guilty of Genocide, then that would be utterly monumental and devastating.

Israel threatening Western politicians now.

The ICC is currently moot as they have not even decided on issuing arrest warrants yet.

The ICJ however, have already given an interim judgment on Israel. They have to progress the case.

In the case of Denning and the Birmingham 6, the convictions were overturned. Denning's "appalling vista" was his own opinion - people saw the injustice and would not let it stand. His "appalling vista" never materialised because to not quash the convictions would have been an even more "appalling vista".

I don't agree that in both cases (ICC and ICJ) Individuals/States would be in danger of being prosecuted.

In the case of the ICC, there would need to be a fair degree of evidence to even start contemplating a case. On the basis of what the two Israelis and the named Hamas members (two are dead, Mohammed Deif may or may not be dead) did/are doing, no-one else comes close to their actions.

In the case of the ICJ, I don't see any other State even remotely threatening to file a case against e.g. UK, USA, Germany etc. And if the case were Genocide, no-one else, other than Israel have shown any "intent" to commit genocide. They have all been clear that any weapons or other supports provided are done so on the basis of them being used within the bounds of International law. That's their get-out-of-jail card (and in fairness, wouldn't be too far off the truth).

Back to Denning - if the ICC/ICJ were to prosecute and find perpetrators guilty, that would be an appalling vista - but only for the guilty. For everyone else, it would be justice.

To not prosecute those cases (assuming sufficient evidence etc.) it would absolutely be an appalling vista for humanity.

Mossad has way too deep a reach in Western politics. Waaaay too deep.

An interview with the head of the CIA, who was a general involved in the US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's an interesting article, a horrific article, that demonstrates US thinking on the current conflict, from Foreign Policy.

David Petraeus: Israel Needs to Adapt Its Strategy

Among other suggestions he thinks Gaza should be divided into several interconnected concentration camps instead of one big one. He also suggests that israel should begin the "care" for the people of Gaza - as if that is likely to happen. His view is among the coldest, most inhumane views I have ever seen.

A quote from the article:

Israel is conducting the equivalent of “clear and leave” operations, similar to what we were doing in 2006 in Iraq.

and also:

My suggestion has been to start in the north and work your way south, creating this series of gated communities.

To this extent - Israel is following a blueprint provided by the US. Further proof comes in this next statement:

But at this juncture, given the possibility of further escalation, the right approach is what reportedly has been agreed between President Biden and Prime Minister Netanyahu. They’ve agreed to a substantial attack against military-related targets to degrade and destroy a lot of the capabilities that Iran has built up that threaten Israel so significantly

So Biden and Nethanyahu are in this together, they have a joint plan to attack Iran. Although this quote relates to Iran, it very much begs the question as to whether Israel is carrying out the campaign against the Palestinians off its own bat, including the genocide, or whether it is doing so hand in glove with the US.

Finally, despite the extreme coldness of this man's worldview, reading between the lines one more thing comes across and that is, in his view, that Israel has made a slew of errors in relying purely on terror and bloodshed in dealing with their neighbours. It is also as though he doesn't understand what Israel is really doing, because his narrow vision as a soldier is to destroy the enemy military and then set up a quisling regime to run the place. He sees that Israel doesn't plan to do this, but he appears to be in a quandry regarding such a situation.

It was only a short time ago that the labour party was being accused of being antisemetic. The labour party is a broad church. there's loads of people in it at every level who have different ideas on foreign policy. I wouldn't say one person is representative of it.

Nobody will be getting bombed at that point. Gaza will not be under the control of Hamas. People in Israel, including tourists, will be safe.

It really is.

"Israel’s Supreme Court has recently clarified, this time explicitly, that interrogational torture is lawful in certain circumstances in Israel’s legal system. The clarification came in seemingly marginal, perhaps even obiter, dicta within two decisions by that Court whilst dismissing yet another complaint on the torture of a Palestinian by interrogators from the Israel Security Agency (ISA, also known as the Shabak, or Shin-Bet), the Israeli body in charge of security intelligence in Israel and the Occupied Territories."

https://www.omct.org/en/resources/blog/its-now-even-more-official-torture-is-legal-in-israel