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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You are not suggesting Child Protection is only in the remit of SF are you?

    There was a Dáil debate on these measures and there are a litany of issues and failures to protect, and they aren't just issues for SF.

    SF suspended and removed abusers immediately and reported one of the two to the PSNI and Social Services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    As always Francie nothing is SF fault

    Like its not SF fault they sent a TD onto the radio yesterday to lie from start to finish

    Its not MLMD fault she lied to the Dail

    the list goes on

    At least now it seems the majority of voters have seen exactly what SF and MLMD stand for

    its greta to see the online army continue to drive away voters to other parties. Good work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I listened to the same interview, nobody lied, the only one lying about it is you.

    MLMD isn't the first to correct the record of the Dáil and won't be the last.

    I unashamedly give kudos to politicians who can admit they are wrong and correct. Ditto to politicians who can admit, at whatever cost that their party system failed and put in place measures to try ensure it doesn't happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Great example of your complete lack of interest in child protection issues. You never spent any time discussing those issues.

    FG.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Soooooo what did you want done? You say “nothing” was done but dismiss when the reality that stuff was actually done is pointed out.

    And again, you just underline the point I made.

    One the one hand you claim “Catholics” defended themselves via the PIRA (when all stats show they were a minority) but on the other claim that youngsters these days simply must be better informed. A bunch of Republican Nua children who sing “up the Ra” know better than those who lived through it…!

    The last part of your post is even more embarrassing that the rest of your patter.

    You say the nationalist vote is declining because of people abandoning the SDLP and going to SF? What? The point is that we have seen a major demographic shift in the North in the last 26 years but the nationalist vote in its totality has barely shifted. The census shows a failure to not only convince the “other side”, but also those born into Nationalism.

    Yet for some reason despite this utter failure by SF to advance the cause, we are all supposed to sit there and listen to them waffle on about being a 32 county party. They have failed their (supposed) one cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    You're right. They should have "written a strongly worded letter to the UN" to fix it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    At no point did she say there was no meeting. SHe clearly said several times that she wasn't across the detail of what was said at that meeting and that the important thing was that MLMD had addressed how the boy felt when he issued his statement. She corrected the record and apologised to both the boy and his mother unequivocally. As I would expect of any TD, Minister or Taoiseach, whosoever they might be.

    Sinn Féin's Mairéad Farrell & Fianna Fáil Senator Lisa Chambers react to Mary Lou McDonald's Dáil clarification | Drivetime - RTÉ Radio 1

    Post edited by FrancieBrady on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,980 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    This thread is not about “any TD, Minister or Taoiseach” stick to the case in point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fixed it there. Thread is about forming a government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I clarified that. As you said, a strongly worded letter was sent in response to 14 civilians killed on Bloody Sunday. And that worked brilliantly. Hurrah for the success of strongly worded letters. The catholics up north could rest east knowing that a strongly worded letter was going to save the day. After the strongly worded letter following Bloody Sunday we had the the Springhill Massacre.

    Three of the victims were teenagers, including a 13-year-old girl, and another was a Catholic priest waving a white flag as he went to attend one of the injured.

    13-year-old girl, Margaret Gargan, was fatally shot. A parish priest, Father Noel Fitzpatrick, and Patrick Butler, a passer-by, both ran to her assistance. Fitzpatrick was reportedly seen to be waving a white cloth above his head to display himself as a non-combatant, but they were also fired upon and killed. All of the victims were unarmed.

    But don't worry, no doubt another strongly worded letter was written to protect the catholics up North. And again, no doubt the likes of you, Simon Harris, and other FG supporters think the catholics up North should have taken their soup and accepted that was life in the North.

    I never said youngsters now a day's are better informed, Simon Harris and Helen McEntee certainly aren't.

    1998 was the first election of the new Northern Ireland General assembly. Sf received 16% of the vote. Combined between them and SDLP they had 36.9%. In 2022 Sf received 27% of the vote and the combined nationalist vote was 39.8%.

    In a 1998 survey, 25% of people described themselves as nationalist, while in 2018 that figure was 21%. A combined vote of 40% in a country of 21% Nationalists to me highlights how successful SF and the SDLP have been at attracting votes across a broad spectrum.

    In 1998 an opinion carried out found that 25% of people in the North would vote for a United Ireland. In 2024 that figure rose to 39%. How you think the cause of a United Ireland hasn't been advanced since 1998 is absolutely bizarre, and to claim SF had nothing at all to do with that is even more bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    As you know - not correct. Ireland did what they could in the confines of the UN.

    You have yet to articulate what you would have done.

    What are you? Late 20s to maybe a poorly educated easly 40 something at a stretch? You have absolutely zero concept of how the Troubles was actually viewed at the time and it drips through your posts.

    So annoyed about “FFG” that you see it fit to deflect on SF’s past because you worry about them continuing in government? Your little flag is hilarious (as it is on any Shinner mudguarder). I’m going to guess you also see yourself as liberal on all other topics- probably the type of lambastes the Church but will he here defending SF all out FFG derangement syndrome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Only after Maria Cahill (who MLMD behaved abominably towards and gave up whatever minimal decency she had left) pursued this doggedly.

    The SF position is poor record keeping. Add that to everything else she won’t take responsibility for in the last few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Covering it all up to protect the party's reputation was disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Revisionist nonsense from someone who didn't live through those times and doesn't have a clue.

    John Hume, Seamus Mallon and Austin Currie didn't accept Bloody Sunday as part of life, but didn't go around killing people, raping women, abusing children, disappearing innocents and kneecapping their own afterwards as the PIRA did. In fact, they were horrified with that. I stand with them.

    You clearly stand with the rapists and murderers of the PIRA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You clearly stated that if MLMD did wrong on NOD, she should resign.

    She has admitted she lied to the Dail and she also apologised for her reference for NOD which was wrong. If you had any shred of consistency, you would be calling for her to resign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There were 4 other people and the alleged rapist in court awaiting trial.
    4 of them adamantly rejected the accusations levelled at them and had 2 things.
    1, A letter from MC asking the IRA to help…because she would not go to and was anti the police.
    2, And in that letter MC singles out one of the accused as being especially helpful.
    There was another letter showing that SF offered help and advice to MC.

    As it happened the case never happened, perhaps MLMD felt she owned those people too. Everyone has a right to their good name until proven otherwise and whatever you think of MC's story of her rape (I believe her) what she says happened after is contested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    The apologies are another nail in the coffin. Shocking stuff.

    SF are being run into the ground by two absolute incompetent chancers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Lol, the irony of you calling anyone else poorly educated. 😂

    Lets try it again.

    1998 was the first election of the new Northern Ireland General assembly. Sf received 16% of the vote. Combined between them and SDLP they had 36.9%. In 2022 Sf received 27% of the vote and the combined nationalist vote was 39.8%. In a 1998 survey, 25% of people described themselves as nationalist, while in 2018 that figure was 21%. A combined vote of 40% in a country of 21% Nationalists to me highlights how successful SF and the SDLP have been at attracting votes across a broad spectrum.

    In 1998 an opinion carried out found that 25% of people in the North would vote for a United Ireland. In 2024 that figure rose to 39%.

    How you think the cause of a United Ireland hasn't been advanced since 1998? Explain that to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,490 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Thread title could not be less relevant at this stage.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    You stand with the Queen, the British Governemnt and the British Army who slaughtered and raped innocent Catholic civilians. Hence the reason you and your party would never said a bad word about them but would instead spend your time criticising the IRA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    From 1998 to 2022, a period of 24 years, the nationalist vote has advanced by 2.9% to 39.8%. At that rate of progress, it will reach 55% (a level at which a united Ireland is more likely than not and a border poll is warranted), by 2116, two hundred years after the Easter rising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Nonsense, you clearly know nothing about the period from the 1960s to the 1980s and the heroism of people like John Hume and Seamus Mallon. You have been suckered by the parodic Wolfe Tones version of history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I see math isn't your strong point.

    In 1998 25% of people wanted a United Ireland. In 2024 that rose to 39%. That's a 14% increase in 26 years. By 2050 that will be 52% and by 20258ish that will be 55%.

    I know being a FGer the idea of a United Ireland likely turns your stomach but it is important to note that plenty of people who don't see themselves as Nationalists still want a United Ireland. I appreciate that's a alien concept to you though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I prefer to read everything relating to a case myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I see politics and the law aren't your strong point (and you clearly don't understand the maths I was using).

    The SoS will need to rely on tangible hard figures - the level of the nationalist vote being the most clear and obvious.

    My maths is correct about that direction, in fact, 2116 may even be generous, given that most of the growth was early on, and has tailed off (I assumed straightline growth). It is possible that the nationalist vote may never reach 50%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The nationalist vote doesn't need to reach 50% all it requires is 51% in favour of a UI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Of course I didn't understand the maths you were using becuase it was completely irrelevant.

    The stats that matter is what percentage of people would voted for a United Ireland. 39% currently and it's increased 14% since 1998. If you think that 39% won't reach 55% until 2116 I really have no idea how I can simplify it anymore for you.

    Even Alliance supporters back a United Ireland. The longer that goes, the more the party will be under pressure to represent their members views or lose them to a party that will.

    The polling reflects the findings of a recent LucidTalk poll which found almost a quarter of Alliance supporters (24%) backed unity in the immediate term, while a further 47% said they would be open to constitutional change in a decade or more.



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