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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Terrorist attack on some kind of military facility in Ankara Turkey happening now.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭radiospan


    This is not possible and attempting it has lead to further isolation of Israel.

    What does "Complete eradication of hamas in their entirety" actually look like in Gaza?

    Who will be left, and how will they feel about Israel?

    Who will continue the resistance against occupation? Nobody?

    How do you see that resistance ending?

    The outcome that Israel has achieved historically through its aggression has been the creation of Hamas and Hezbollah and increased anti-Israeli sentiment around the world. This is not what winning looks like.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭radiospan


    It seems that facility creates drones which have been used against the PKK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    This is what you said:

    Who knows what the security situation will be after this unholy war is over, the likelihood of the IDF "Doing an Isis" on historic sites is low I'd say.

    This is what I replied

    They've already destroyed many Palestinian buildings of historic significance and heritage sites as part of their war or cultural destruction

    Ignoring the typo which should have read "of" rather than "or", I'm not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that the zionists haven't destroyed many Palestinian heritage sites and your proof is that pilgrims will return in the future to visit them???? The photographic and video evidence shows they have been destroyed……….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Utter nonsense!

    You can't have it both ways!

    You can't, one moment, be listing UN Declarations, Resolutions, Mandates and Conventions, and being a general stickler on the law, when it suits, and then, in the next post, declaring that you won't abide by those principles if they get in the way of your precious opinion.

    Nor can you, or anyone else, post lies, falsehoods, half-truth's, misinformation and outright propaganda as statements of fact and then try and wriggle out of it by declaring that "I'm entitled to my opinion'.

    Writing off any ICJ verdict beforehand as irrelevant to your position says it all, and hints at the realisation that the verdict is unlikely to go the way you want. As badly as you want it, it hasn't been declared a Genocide.

    What you're doing is both intellectually dishonest and morally reprehensible.

    Language matters and Genocide is a real thing. Shouting 'Genocide' in Gaza, and now, again, in Lebanon only serves to delegitimise the accusation of probably the gravest sin in humanity. People like you have reduced the term down to nothing more than a cheap slogan for the 'Shouty Shouty' activist brigade.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭taratee


    They'll visit Israel for the same reasons that they visited Israel in the past. People in the West have very short memories. Israel welcomed over 32.18 million tourists in 2023. The war will end soon, I hope, and the number of tourists will be back to that level within a year or two.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,250 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Weren't we told often enough that Palestinians are guilty because they didn't overthrow Hamas? Same for Israelis imo. Why don't they overthrow their Government and say '' Not in my name''?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,250 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Not a hope in Hell of that happening. People will remember the genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'm sure they're are plenty of people out there who would join the Israelis in their bar-b-q discos in the desert and get that warm feeling of contentment and achievement as they enjoy the view of a desolated Gaza.

    So yes, perhaps you're right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Actually, I can. And countless other do too. I can assure you it isn't just me.

    I can express an opinion (Israel is a terrorist, genocidal, pariah State) but I can also respect the rule of law in will let the the ICJ do their work. There is no contradiction in that at all.

    Respecting the rule of law is something the Israelis are incapable of of. Perhaps supporters of Israeli also have that unique blind spot too.

    But hey, keep cheering on the slaughter of 30,000 innocent women and children. Now that is dishonest and morally reprehensible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Interesting coincidence with this Turkey attack. The attack was carried out in the Kazan area of Ankara.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭taratee


    If they stop defending themselves, or butchering people, to use your words, they are going to be f**king slaughtered, to use the words of the Hamas terrorists on October 7th. What would you do? People need to remember that Hamas etc are not interested in any sort of peaceful solution. Are Israelis just supposed to lay down and die?

    My friend isn't paranoid, she's terrified. Israelis have access to the same media that we see. I spoke to her at length about this recently and I made it very clear that most people in the West do not want them dead. Half of the people at those marches don't even know what they are supporting. The international reaction to October 7th shocked them. You had people in cities in the West out celebrating the October 7th attacks. You had politicians in the West, including our own, who refused to call Hamas terrorists. Israelis and Jews are being targeted time and time again around the world. Yet another warning today in Sri Lanka.

    Finally, Israelis are aware of the carnage that they are inflicting in Gaza. My friend admitted that she, along with her wife, are torn over Gaza at the moment. The see the death toll, they look at their own children, and they cry thinking about it. They want it to stop. On the flip side, they think about what the Hamas did to them on October 7th and they become defensive. If it stops there may be another October 7th and the next attack could be more devastating.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    News snippets from Haaretz

    Not content with murdering kids, Israel is now refusing them medical aid (a war crime) and exposing them to the risks of polio, and ensuring their economy does not return to its pre genocide war level for 350 years. And it looks like the Germans are in a quandary about supplying weapons to aid the Israeli continuing genocide war. And as we already know, Netanyahu is no Statesman and places no value on life. At all.

    But it looks like some Israelis have had enough and are taking the bull by the horns. Including (another) 11-year old boy trying to destroy an Israeli tank by throwing pebbles at it. Unfortunately, he was shredded.

    Haaretz:

    • The World Health Organization said on Wednesday that its polio vaccination campaign in north Gaza has been postponed due to Israeli bombardments, mass displacement and lack of access. The campaign's final phase, which was due to begin on Wednesday, aimed to vaccinate more than 119,000 children.
    • The UN Conference on Trade and Development said Monday that if the war ends tomorrow and Gaza returns to the status quo before Hamas' October 7 attack on Israel, it could take 350 years for its battered economy to return to its precarious prewar level.
    • The Hamas-controlled Health Ministry in Gaza said at least 42,792 Palestinians were killed and 100,412 wounded since the start of the war.
    • Seven residents of East Jerusalem were indicted for spying for Iran including a mission to assassinate prominent Israeli figures.
    • The IDF is investigating the killing of an 11-year-old boy by army fire in the West Bank on Tuesday. According to eyewitnesses, the boy was critically injured by gunfire during clashes with an army unit. In footage of the incident on social media, the boy is seen throwing stones at a military vehicle.
    • Germany's Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said in Beirut that her country was "in a dilemma" when it comes to exporting weapons to Israel, and added that Israel has a responsibility to abide by international law.

    "After [Hamas leader Yahya] Sinwar was killed… Netanyahu would turn down the opportunity to prove he is a statesman and seek out negotiated solutions for Gaza and Lebanon. No less, he is missing an opportunity to prove that human life has value in his eyes, whether it is the soldiers whose blood is being shed in vain in the Gaza Strip, or the… [hostages] suffering a living hell in Hamas tunnels." – Yossi Verter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭taratee


    Let's wait and see. I'm confident that history will prove me right.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭taratee


    Ah, you have a problem with young people going out and enjoying themselves! I get it now. Are you a born again Christian or something like that?

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    From speaking to the people I know in Tel Aviv life is pretty much back to normal

    My friend isn't paranoid, she's terrified

    It seems to me that there's something strange here. If life is back to normal as you claimed earlier - why is she terrified?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Every single Jewish person I know is terrified right now by whats been going on all around the world, not just Israelis. I think it's a fear that most people dont understand, having not gone through a Holocaust in living memory. For them it really is a question of continued existence and if anything, it makes them support Israel even more because they see all the more clearly why it needs to exist. That doesn't mean that they rejoice in the deaths of Palestinians as some on here would have you believe, far from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭taratee


    Life is back to normal. People are working full time, people are going to the beach at the weekend, days out to Jerusalem, kids are going to school. Normal everyday stuff. She is terrified because she knows that October 7th can happen again. She believes that the West doesn't have their back.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    The main need for commercial flights in Israel is to accommodate all the European/U.S Jews who want to get the heck out of that place…

    An excellent point, indeed. Could the Yahoo have asked some of those airlines to cut down on flights to make it harder for people to emigrate?
    Or on the other hand -maybe they have simultaneously increased the number of flights to Cyprus, while some local airline takes over the dangerous leg between Nicosia and Tel Aviv.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    That 11 year old boy about to throw a stone was an existential threat to all jews around the world. We should be celebrating his death. Or something like that. Am I doing it right zionists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Have you tried suggesting to them to put pressure on their government (they are all entitled to an Israeli passport ultimately) or fellow countrymen to kinda ease up on the murdering and pillaging and raping of their helpless neighbours? I mean even just for a few days. Just to see whether that helps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Life is back to normal.

    100%. Work as normal. Party as normal. Have a barbeque and a drink and cheer as normal on a hilltop while watching your airforce blow yet more of your neighbours to smithereens in the distance. Break up the monotony of a quiet weekend by tooling up as normal with automatic weaponry and go into the West Bank and burn a few Palestinians out of their houses while the IDF act as chaperone. If it has been a while since you got a bit of action, head down to your local internment centre and participate in a gang rape of internees as normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    It walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck so you can be pretty sure it is a genocide - unless the US threatens the judges, prosecutors and other staff with sufficiently harsh punishments that they choose to look the other way.

    On the other hand, there is a separate issue that the ICJ & ICC have to deal with, and one which may explain why they have not issued warrants for the Yahoo and Gallant. Simply put, let's say that they put them on trial - whether in person or in absentia - and find them guilty. This leads to an appalling vista: that all those who facilitated those genocidal activities - Baerbock, Habeck, Scholz, Starmer, etc, but even more so Biden and his merry men - would most likely be up for the same crimes. And that would be the death knell for the whole western system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I think everyone should go out to enjoy themselves. I've no problem with that.

    But to go out and "enjoy" watching Gaza being bombed and civilians being killed, I think that's abhorrent.

    My religious beliefs are nothing to do with anything. That's a really odd question.

    And you posted this:

    You had people in cities in the West out celebrating the October 7th attacks

    Published May 15th 2024:

    On the eve of Nakba Day, people in the Israeli city of Sderot called for Palestinians to be expelled from Gaza.

    Thousands of Israeli settlers marched through the quiet, evacuated southern town, less than a kilometre from the besieged enclave. The event was orchestrated by far-right groups, with backing from settler organisations advocating the repopulation of Gaza, coupled with the forced displacement of its Palestinian residents.

    On Israeli Independence Day, people of all ages carried flags as they made their way to a hilltop rally of music, speakers and food – overlooking the Gaza Strip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Germany's Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said in Beirut that her country was "in a dilemma" when it comes to exporting weapons to Israel, and added that Israel has a responsibility to abide by international law.

    Smart woman, that Baerbock - it has taken her only a year to realise that her whole-hearted support for genocide has put her in danger of coming before the ICC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    How many Jewish people do you know ? I have never met one myself that i know of, possibly i have, but never knew they were Jewish.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    The little boy had a hamas tunnel under his t shirt I've heard...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Lots of Jews are not frightened at all. Lots of Jews have been calling Israel out for decades, but their voices have been silenced by the media.

    However, in so far as the great majority of the world's population want to have nothing to do with those who mete out or support such viciousness on the Palestinians and others in the Middle East, there may be a grain of truth in your comment.



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