Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

It would never have happened without everyone around the table agreeing to it.
Only two parties have never signed up to it. The leader of one of those parties got a standing ovation from a major political party here- FG- and successive governments apply no pressure on them to sign up to it.

The people of the north know who achieved for them and reward them and it ain’t FF.

Don't fall for that bait. All these posts are an attempt to distract from SF actions over the last few days/weeks.

The poster in question and our SF representative know if you go down this rabbit hole the thread will end up getting locked or people just stop engaging in the mess those threads become. Either way it shuts down/distracts from any conversation on the SF mess ups over the last while.

At the end of the IRA’s campaign, in 1998, 70% of Catholics told the Northern Ireland Life and Times survey that they had ‘no sympathy’ for the reasons republican groups gave to justify their violence. Only 6% said they had ‘a lot of sympathy’ with the terrorists’ rationale.

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Almost 30 years later, attitudes among nationalists seem to have changed dramatically. At the weekend, a poll for the Belfast Telegraph newspaper suggested that 69% of nationalist voters now agreed with the statement that there was ‘no alternative’ to the IRA’s campaign.

I recall a weird SF sympathiser saying it’s because young people are now more educated on the horrors of the Troubles. It’s definitely that, nothing to do with two and half decades of revisionism….Republican Nua heads absolutely know more than the lived experience of Catholics.

It was a misguided part of the overall “celebrations”, overall the whole thing was a nuisance and not good for advancing the cause of a United Ireland.

The change in sentiment over time is similar to the effects brought about by the "Lost Cause" mythology perpetuated by Confederate sympathisers in the decades after the American Civil War. In that case, "states rights" replaced "retention of slavery" and "heroes of the South" replaced "traitors and seditionists".

SF has learned well from the Daughters of the Confederacy, and carefully crafted its own "Lost Cause" mythology. "No alternative", "fighting for rights", "protecting the community", "volunteers and martyrs", are all appealing to a generation who don't remember the reality. Throw in hunger strikers, snipers at work, and graffiti on the wall, and you have a potent cocktail.

Remember kids, just because you like the songs don't mean you know a thing.

Lol.

Maybe have a read above. Good to see you speak for the people of the north and what they wanted. The people of the north want a SF in government.

I agree, FG are a key reason a United Ireland will never be achieved. They've no interest in on and never have. Too busy organising celebrations for the Black and Tans while also talking about how disgraceful the IRA were for murdering innocent people.

A fantastic post that sums up the attitudes of most of the posters on here. No interest in discussion or debate. It's just a vehicle to critise SF at all times and anyone not towing that line needs to be targeted and eliminated.

Let's not fall into the false narrative that SF somehow 'own' the concept of a United Ireland They certainly don't, and their actions have had zero to negative impact on its actualisation.

Fine Gael- The United Ireland Party

Fianna Fail- The Republican Party

Sinn Fein- Ourselves Alone

Says it all, really

I agree. But perhaps scroll back and see who diverted the thread to his usual 'all things SF must be attacked' spiel.

No, contrary to the lies told here, I don't defend all things SF.

I have the same attitude to them as I have had to any party I have voted for. That very often they have feet of clay, are as prone to gaffs and mistakes as any other party.
IMO they were never a normal party due to what they came through and how they evolved through and after the conflict/war.
I contrast how they handled these issues to how any party or institution handled similar 20/30 years ago and I see massive change.

*An abuser immediately suspended and out of the party.

*Those who conspired or were negligent in their jobs gone too.

*An offender reported to the PSNI and Social Services and also gone from the party.

The mistakes made in handling the above corrected and the victim apologised to for insensitivity and an uneven lack of care.

I also see (and remain to be corrected (by the only person capable)) a textbook disciplinary process,
MLMD made the statement that it doesn't matter who you are, under her watch there will be consequences. From what I can see this is correct.

And back we go to the past. Which is it?

😁 I got told off yesterday for mentioning the scandals of the current government because on a General Irish Politics thread the poster only wanted to discuss the here and now. Same poster who diverted this one to the 70's btw. You couldn't make it up.

You're evading the question. Adams misdeeds came to light under MLMDs leadership, which you claim doesn't protect anyone no matter how important they are.