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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,140 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So, the most 'pro' Harris polling groups still call the election for Trump, and that is assuming that the polls are accurate and don't have a shy Trump voter..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    If you do it based on 538, Harris wins 291-247. We can all pick the numbers that suit our own biases right now.

    There's definitely a sense that the Trump Team are trying to create a narrative of his inevitable victory (while of course hedging with misinformation about all the dastardly stealing that the Dems are doing).

    Nobody really knows what is going on beneath the tectonic plates of American political culture from 2020 to 2024. All we know is that we don't know.

    And this is 100% the best real-life entertainment you can get. 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,360 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    There does seem to be a problem at the border that might resonate with voters, his policy is to send them back, he hoofed out 400,000 odd in his last 9mts before he left office, he had to use the Covid as an excuse but he still done it. Biden trumped him and sent back another 2 milliion using the same excuse, public health. Then Biden/Harris let them all in again and added a few more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    There was no red wave, it was quite the failure for the republicans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Then Biden/Harris let them all in again and added a few more.

    Sure they did, pure nonsense.

    There does seem to be a problem at the border that might resonate with voters, his policy is to send them back

    Again, this isn't a policy, it is a soundbite, a policy will have details around what kind of mechanisms will be used to achieve that, same with things like the economy for which he says "we are going to do great things, the best things". He hasn't a clue about a single policy, because he hasn't got any.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Allegedly Trump had some backbone after all where it comes to Ukraine, telling WSJ last week that he told Putin that if he attacked Ukraine, He [Trump] would hit him in the middle of Moscow so hard you won't even believe it. We're friends, I don't want to do it but I have no choice.

    The former President of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, has now commented on Trump's statement. "Trump got carried away. Did he really speak about 'hitting bloody Moscow?' Of course not," he wrote on his social media. The former Kremlin chief also stated that Trump is just posing as a tough negotiator. "In general, he's as smooth as silk in negotiations," he noted. "For such words, there is only one response: your bloody Washington will get hit too. In general, our relations with him are quite warm," he concluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    He's won the news cycle both yesterday and today that's all that matters.

    Hurts to say it but it was a masterstroke by his PR team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, and certainly I hope Harris wins, but I'm not really picking numbers out of nowhere. To reiterate: I have posted the RCP aggregates before and was told that this aggregate is skewed by some dodgy datasets. Supposedly the NYC/Sienna one is top of the line (538 ranks it number one). The point I make is that this poll doesn't exactly paint the rosiest picture, either when you take its latest numbers across the battleground states.

    News of record early voting is encouraging on the assumption that high turnout tends to favour the Democratic ticket, but if that's what's happening, it's not registering on polling, really, and will be another big blog of egg on the face of the pollsters should Harris defy the numbers we're seeing right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I just want it to be over.

    I want it confirmed that either America is f*cked, or there is a glimmer of hope left in the country.

    But I don't see how any rational person can believe the polls, based on what polls have got right and wrong over the last 8 years; and the betting markets, now that it's public news that they have been weighted on Trumps side.

    Roll on November 5th.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Both sides are talking about him and his McDonald's stunt. Staying front and centre with 2 weeks to go is winning the news cycle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Riiiiiiight, but he has been running and hiding from doing interviews and town halls in the last few weeks, but a 10 minute promo at a closed McDonalds…what is going to shift it for him.

    Some logic there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    He has indeed, the guy is a massive coward but this stuff sells to the average American. It's actually a PR masterclass from team Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Not sure why you seem to want to use this as a "masterclass" when it really wasn't, at best it was bizarre.

    It also does not distract enough from his very laboured appearances on TV lately, openly admitting he is exhausted etc, yet you think him serving at a closed McDonalds is a masterclass?

    We might be watching different things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    We'll see. There's two weeks and a bit to go. I don't think they'll be able to stretch this PR stunt that far. His first assassination attempt was only in the news for 3 or 4 days after all.

    What else has he up his sleeve? He can't go missing now, or "be exhausted".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Think there will be a few twists and turns yet Flaneur. Getting exciting now though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I definitely think his townhall appearances have left more of an impression than him flipping burgers or making chips.

    "Ashli Babbitt was killed, no one was killed" really stuck out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    By appearing to be a sensible workaday person. Unfortunately his team may have pulled off the miracle. It's up to him to pull victory away from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Is this honestly a joke? You think this will sway voters…him in a McDonalds. This will have more impact over him giving weird answers at the recent town hall, or swaying to music for 40 minutes…

    Is that where we are at now?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'd like to believe that Trump will have affected the turnout of young Black and Hispanic voters with his latest comments about the Central Park five being murderers after their conviction was overturned when the actual guilty person was found and they were then released from prison but I cant put much faith in him being found responsible for his falsehoods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I think people will prefer to see what they want from the image and not the reality that it was a campaign stunt. Trumpers will buy into it and it's face value, like they bought into him in the centre some weeks back throwing packages of whatever at the people in the Hurricane aid centre. They cant afford to pierce the bubble they built around him….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I didn't get my I Voted sticker, because they ran out, because of much higher than expected turnout…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,829 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's head in hands stuff from him, but on point when you think about it and who he has been most of his life.

    We've long seen politicians 'fake' working to gain some low conflict attention on a filler piece, but this is the first time I'm aware of someone faking to take work.

    Like, he did more acting here than on the Apprentice. The more you think of it, the more messed up it is that they thought of doing it and then someone said 'No, we can't' for some reason or another and then someone else said 'What if……….' and they set it up and ran with it.

    It literally defeated the whole purpose of the exercise which was 'make him look normal' and instead turned it in to 'let's show how not normal this guy is', and him or his team actually selected this option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Reports are "the Harris campaign set a record for the biggest fundraising quarter ever this fall — raising $1 billion in the three-month period that ended Sept. 30.The campaign and its allied committees raised $378 million in September alone, compared with the $160 million for Trump and his groups.Harris and her groups entered October with $348 million on hand"

    Not entirely sure if at this late stage this money makes a difference, but it's certainly an indicator of the way people may vote...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    What you posted on the NYT are polling averages. Not simply NYT/Sienna poll themselves. These are just averages of all the polls by different pollsters like the RCP ones etc and like all these averages they've been swamped with trash right wing spam showing Trump winning. Some models like 538 and silver bulletin do weight these trash polls so they nurf their effects but when you flood the market with them loads of little tiny changes to the average add up.

    NYT own polls are rated among the best by 538 but they haven't posted state polls in quite a good few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,099 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Another last ditch effort to derail him before Nov 5th. The trouble is the people know what is going on, and what they are trying to do, it only increases his chances, as his polling numbers only go up.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    RCP Averages ?

    Yes , they are to be largely ignored - they simply take ALL the polls and average the scores. They do not filter out anything regardless of quality , reputation or who is paying for them.

    538 , Silver Bullet and others apply a weighting based on the quality of the polling and their historical accuracy - Not perfect but infinitely better than RCP.

    Having said that , all of the above still show the entire thing is within the margin of error one way or the other so it's largely moot.

    As I said earlier , the hard data coming from the early voting updates is at least that - Hard data and that is showing potentially positive news for Democrats based on the generally high turnout and the demographics that are voting.

    Again , that could all change by next week as the next tranche of voters come out or indeed if we see a huge "on the day" turn-out.

    But now that voting has started , for me at least that information is more meaningful.



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