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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Not because mods themselves didn't follow that one simple rule?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,548 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Given the fact that we have a poster actively claiming it as nonsense even in this thread, I think it's absolutely necessary to have it pointed to. Posters frequently treat the two candidates as if it's a level playing field when the reality is one of the candidates is an atrocious human being. If they're free to yelp Trump derangement syndrome, implicate Harris in Epstein style cover ups etc. Factual statements get less lee way than a lot of nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,224 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Let’s face it though, there’s not a huge amount of genuine Trump supporters in Ireland no less on boards- I’ve seen a few genuine (well genuine in as much as I can determine) pro-Trump posts but even then they were more just commentaries on Trumps progress in the polls - I would have thought attempts to troll the thread would be fairly easy to spot no? I rarely respond to “pro Trump” posts and they’re usually with humour but even that I’ve stopped now as my humour was misinterpreted as abuse- and fair enough I get that now.

    But on a crusade against Trump on an Irish website, where the focus is discussion and debate? I have always started with the premise that people are more than likely going to be pro-Harris and in general I’m correct on that - I ignore the side shows - but I’ve had my battle scars even when I’ve criticised Harris - name calling amongst them - horrible name calling - that sort of behaviour is just not on - I’m glad it’s stopped in the main - but that tells me that there’s a lot of posters who are ready to judge and pounce before actually engaging their brain and their eyes- however noble you think your cause is, in my own personal view, it shouldn’t be at the expense of other posters pleasure and enjoyment of this site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Agree … demand from mods that they need to be engaged in the forum they are moderating, keep a finger on the pulse, this will result in more robust discussion being made possible. IMHO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,224 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    But can’t you just either ignore the “stupid” or report where necessary? I don’t tend to respond to such posts as I consider them absolute laughable conspiracy stuff - they make no sense to me - obviously what gets to others doesn’t necessarily get to me - I just scroll on by and search out the next interesting view to respond to - a lot of energy is being expended on the election thread replying to these people - I’ve always assumed it’s because the responders just enjoyed the one-upmanship- it’s never been something I’d ever be remotely interested in engaging with - “don’t feed the trolls” is old guidance but it’s probably a general rule I follow for that particular thread at least



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    What ever happened Gordon? he was great craic, he could take as good as he gave aswell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    No.

    In a nutshell.

    I think think it's ridiculous that I have to put up with "TDS" being posted ad nauseum, which is not a real thing, yet the very real thing of mentioning Trump being a rapist is banned. I'm also not calling for the use of TDS to be banned either.

    I mean, if we want to call him TTR (Trump the Rapist) for short, we should be able to. It's factually accurate after all.

    I know you (and most others) would just gloss over it eventually, but at least it wouldn't be hidden. The only reason it's banned right now is because it upsets some supporters of a rapist. Good. They should be.

    There's many ways the site can improve, I don't believe that limiting what people can and can't say is one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I remember 4 years ago 'sleepy joe' was banned but you could say what you liked about Trump, swings and roundabouts



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,230 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Yeah it never used to take 40 warnings to have a problem poster removed permanently. I don't really know why that changed… Now folks get so much leeway when realistically they should have just been shown the door years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,224 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    look fair enough - it’s your “battle” - chose to run it whatever way you see fit. If there wasn’t this concerted effort to post the obvious nearly hourly no less daily, it would have likely have just naturally appeared every so often anyway in conversation -as I said above I don’t get the “crusade” on an Irish website where most of us are fairly clued in anyway - maybe on some southern state US discussion forum it would make better sense- 99% of us aren’t voting in this election and are free to post observations around what life might be like from an economic and political perspective with this man in power- it doesn’t mean we support his actions - and in no way shape or form, can such a conclusion be taken. Just to be clear on that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    I guess we suffer from TDS when pointing out Trump actually injured his victim while penetrating her with his fingers.

    But god forbid… don't call it rape lads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,356 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What would you call popping into a thread, making a false claim or a claim based on misrepresented evidence, not engaging in replies… disappearing, returning, repeating same conduct? I call it trolling, some version of it at least. In a current affairs political thread, I don't see the basis for this "nobody owes an answer" to anyone rule, when people are making statements of fact \ factual claims. That is not discussion in my understanding of it.
    I would also add, before the 50 post requirement, the US politics threads in CA were particularly badly hit by re-reg trolls, which the mods cleaned up.

    And if the thread is as pro-Harris as you say, then what is the issue in calling Trump what he is, a rapist?

    But there is a significant minority on the threads, who are either openly pro-Trump or relentlessly anti-Harris \ Democrat.

    If other posters pleasure and enjoyment of this site requires that they be shielded from the statement of fact that Trump is a rapist, I don't see any merit to pandering to them.

    Making such statements is not a 'crusade', it is an election thread and the character \ merits of the candidates as individuals is being discussed, their appeal \ lack of to certain demographics. To not be able to mention that Trump is a rapist is absurd in that context.

    If Trump does win, then a thread for his Presidency focusing on his policies and decisions, I can see the logic behind having a separate thread for such things as the rape \ defamation case, from a thread focus perspective. But we are not at that stage yet.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,224 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “What would you call popping into a thread, making a false claim or a claim based on misrepresented evidence, not engaging in replies… disappearing, returning, repeating same conduct? I call it trolling. “


    id call it trolling too - but obviously the difference between you and me is, I don’t engage in the first place so it really doesn’t stress me.


    “And if the thread is as pro-Harris as you say, then what is the issue in calling Trump what he is, a rapist?”

    I don’t have an “issue” with it per se- but it gets a bit tiresome when one expresses even a minor criticism of Harris and all you get back is “well you do know Trump is a …….dont you??????l”


    That, is just painfully tiresome and yes, it’s an insult to my intelligence and it’s also closing down discussion and debate - and yes, that then reduces my enjoyment of the site and the thread. And I make no apologies for saying that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,356 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You are conflating totally different things and mixing the rapist statement in with other stuff. Banning mention of Trump being a rapist wont change what you have described above. And if you have been following the thread you must be aware of posts where the slightest issue with Harris is jumped on for criticism meanwhile same posters overlook objectively far worse Trump failings.

    Are you saying there are no circumstances in the election thread that stating Trump is a rapist is justified or relevant? None that dont "insult your intelligence"?

    None?

    I cant credit that at all.

    I can just as easily turn around and say being unable to state public domain established facts about Trump in the context of his candidacy is: "an insult to my intelligence and it’s also closing down discussion and debate."

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    It has a tendency to derail threads into an endless back and forth also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,356 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is a public domain established fact.

    Should we ban mention of such facts ?

    Or maybe we should be banning those who generate the back and forth by disputing established facts whether that is about Trump or whatever.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    That would be very quickly dealt with if the mod instruction was:

    Trump was found liable of sexual assault and the judge said it was fine to call him a rapist, so users may call Trump a rapist. Don't like it? Deal with it.

    I mean, we mostly ignore the TDS BS, so I'm sure the people supporting the rapist can mostly ignore it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,224 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “You are conflating totally different things and mixing the rapist statement in with other stuff. “

    Eh, no I most certainly am not- you need to read my post above- I’ve clearly stated that had some posters not gone on some sort of personal mission to “inform” every poster about Trump, that it would likely have been simply mentioned referenced and discussed in a more natural and organic way - without ramming it down our throats every time a criticism of Harris was referred to- had it been left to this approach we wouldn’t be here right now as the issue likely wouldn’t have arisen to ban the mention of it.


    “Banning mention of Trump being a rapist wont change what you have described above.”

    Well it actually has - I haven’t seen that response since the new rule was brought in - and the thread is a better place for it- because people are now focused on polls strategy early voting ie all the things you’d expect people to be talking about in an election thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,224 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    The Harris Trump thread has moved on now to discussing all things normally associated with election threads -the ban has taken away a lot of the sniping and sneering that was present in the thread for months now - it’s certainly a much better place than when I first joined it a few months ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    It's amazing how a thread on a Mods actions have led to a pointless back and forth about Trump/sexual harassment. Both sides bickering and totally intransigent. Just a pointless and boring exercise that does nothing to enhance the discussion the OP began. And then they say the site is failing…any wonder.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,022 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    It's the constant repition of the statment, it's a few times a day every day. Harris can't sting a sentance together, oh but Trumps a rapist, you like rapists. It makes an absolute scutter of the thread along with people looking for infomation only known to Trump, asking questions repeatedly in a nauseating fashion where they know it's not possible a poster knows the answer. Then back to but he's a rapist, rinse and repeat, it's troling and just plain stupid posting that derails everything.

    There's a few posters that run around in a pack like a lynch mob attacking in a gang across multiple threads. You know exactly who they are. Those posters alone are responsible for a lot of people not posting or even leaving the site, it's high time this little gang were dealth with as they shut down debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Do you not think it's moved on because we're only a few weeks from this chapter being over?

    I mean, I could put up that "lack of pirates is causing global warning" image, but I'd be (rightly) warned for it.

    We still have posters here arguing against the fact that he is a rapist. Which is nuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,224 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’m happy how the thread is now - I took dogs abuse in the early days - that’s stopped now as has the ridiculous lectures from posters so as far as I’m concerned I’ll work with that regardless of how it’s come about. As I said above it’s your battle not mine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,993 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    90% of the folks complaing about Trump comments "derailing a Trump vs Harris" thread are looking for an echo chamber.

    Theres a reason those vocal ones only pop up to dump a link, then whine about being ganged up on/attacked by a mob/Beasty when they are attempted to be engaged in a discussion.

    Then its either complain about TDS and run off to post memes in a humour thread OR grab a flamethrower to get their "new" account banned, thus the vocal ones can start complaining about pro-Trump users being targeted and restart the cycle.

    There must be a training course the behaviour follows such a strict script.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    The fact that there has been rape apologist style posts in this thread alone puts me off even reading that Trump/Harris thread.

    Then you have decisions like this, which put me off the CA forum in general:

    [what people hope to get from a Trump presidency:] A racist, anti-democratic presidency that erodes the rights of women and non-white, non straight folks.

    warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on October 8

    Someone asked why people are apparently leaving this website. I mean, it's kind of obvious if the CA forum is your go to. Thankfully I have no interest so it doesn't impact me.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    and when they step down as mods because they don’t have time to do both? What then?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,585 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The only active thread I'm following is the Harris/Trump one and it's getting a hundred posts an hour. Unfair to expect a mod to keep tabs on multiple threads like that. It's why we have the report function.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I know. It a ridiculous thing to “demand” of a volunteer.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man


    I’ve noticed similar in the Radio forum, as it happens. You can’t say anything in favour of Radio Presenter X without the locals swarming your post like flies on… honey. Likewise criticise Radio Presenter Y and the same locals are all over you like a rash.


    The problem with online discussion spaces is that everyone demands an echo chamber, and if they don’t get one it’s a conspiracy.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,585 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's one of the few threads I'm posting in and I can't keep up with it. It is a ridiculous standard to hold a volunteer to when there's a functional report feature.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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