Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

It's a combination of things. Fear of the future is the main driver, which is why 'MAGA' is such a powerful phrase. It touches on people's real sense that the US's position in the world has changed, and not for the US's benefit.

The world is changing around them and they don't like it. The irony is that they drive much of the change. They love capitalism, but now fear globalism! They fear big government but blame the Washinton elite for all their ills.

But it is also a fear of the past. Americans don't want to have to deal with the past of the country honestly. They don't want to acknowledge the role of slavery, or their continued responsibility for the chaos around the world, particularly in the ME.

Trump offers them hope. He offers them a way back to the glory without any cost. He offers them the American dream. And that the American dream can be whatever anyone wants it to be. But, and this is the crucial bit, he also offers them the comfort of knowing their leader will protect them. He will ward off the Chinese. He will stand up against climate change. He will deal with woke. These are all things to which the average punter has no control.

None of what Trump is selling them is true, but sometimes the beautiful dream is better than reality. And that is why Harris, or anyone as this really isn't about Harris, is struggling because it is hard to argue against fiction when nobody wants to hear the truth.

The McD photo op is a perfect example. For Trump supporters, this is way more than a simple, run-of-the-mill, electoral photo op. This is a massive gotcha to Harris. This proves Trump is a man of the people. This is entertainment. But they also are more than happy to ignore Trump saying he doesn't like unions, and that he supports Musk is simply firing people. That Trump when given the chance looked after the very rich and did almost nothing for the middle or working class. Trump has done nothing for the likes of McD workers. And he has no plans to.

But none of that matters. Because he is not selling something specific. He is selling a dream. MAGA. And everyone can believe that that new great America will mean great things for them. Despite all the evidence to the contrary

Yeah, no. It incentivises employees to work long hours to make ends meet rather than employers actually paying their people properly and hiring enough staff to to do the job in a normal working week. The opposite of progressive and once again another example of Trump et al hoodwinking their supporters into believing actions designed to benefit the wealthy are actually to help the average person.

I get the impression that with the increase in the mania and retoric of MAGAworld, that if you are in a MAGA family or within a very MAGA-centric community and that if you actually intend to vote against Trump, then this is something you will keep isolated to the ballot booth as much as humanly possible. As MAGAworld gets worse, these secret voters are more and more likely.

If a pollster comes asking, you say "I'm voting Trump" If your neighbour or MAGA family members ask you say, "I'm voting Trump". And this is because you know very well how these people are conditioned to behave against non-believers like yourself. In some fundamentalist religious communities there is already a tradition of shunning and disowning family members for daring to go against the will of the group. Tacking MAGA onto that is just a simple software update for some of these people.

And so voting day comes and you give your vote to the Dem, hoping that another loss for Trump with take MAGA out of your life. Possibly fein outrage that Donnie didn't win it, but secretly relieved and hoping that some normalcy might be on the horizon.

These people most certainly exist within the areas where you find MAGAworld…but the scale of how many there are is an open question that might not be answered for some time to come.

I wouldn't agree, I have to get people to do overtime from time to time, I don't see why they should have to pay tax on it. The goverment has so much money they don't know how to spend it, grants and handouts are not the way forward. Some people are happy to work extra hours to make more money, let them at it.

you think if someone earns say 40k plus 10k OT they should take home more than someone who earns 50k?

As said before, overtime should be the exception in an emergency situation. Some people are "happy" to work overtime as they are not payed properly for the work they do. Some people are "happy" to do overtime because of a misguided sense of loyalty to employers who dont pay them properly and will drop them in a heartbeat. Why am I not surprised you enjoy taking advantage of the underpaid.

And overtime is income, so why should income over a certain amount be exempt. But you can see the CEO class'es accountants lining up to claim 2/3rds of their salaries for their 120 hour weeks are exempt form tax. Thats who these changes are designed to benefit - to enable continued exploitation of labour to the benefit of the holders of capital and to add a further tax break for the wealthy.

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There is that word again. 'Believe'.

The facts appear to be the opposite.

Because people voted for him.

Trump being the incumbent didn't help and Covid especially damaged him.

Yes and there was obviously a reason that 7,000,000 more people voted for Biden than Trump.

The way he dealt with Covid was surely one of the reasons and maybe a few million or so that voted for him previously thought he was a very poor president.

That's a nefarious way to look at it, i'm kinda shocked somomeone with such a high moral compass could think of such a cunning plan.

I also cannot believe that the (what is now hundr ds, if not thousands) of republican politicians, army personnel, civic personnel etc that have come out to say they're voting for Harris didn't move the needle one iota, or affect the betting markets.

That literally makes no logical sense

Isn't this ultimately

There's a lot of things about Trump's political career that 'make no logical sense' but happen nonetheless…

Amazing what happens when you look beyond the surface of what Trump says and actually think about the possible (and in many cases, inevitable) ramifications and effects.

They do pay ovetime rates or they'll end infront of the wrc, the proposal is to lessen the tax burden on them it appears. As it's Trumps proposal it has to be bad though, i'm so glad not to be suffering from TDS.

I dont have an issue with the policy but its a disinsentive for workers to progress in their professional life.