Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

Respectful ? You have repeatedly accused those that disagree with you as being far right. A phrase long dismissed and not even used by others in the thread that have the "come all ye" stance.

You flat out refuse to acknowledge that 75% of the population in two polls have said we need to rethink this problem. Enough of the freeloaders. Help the true refugees that want and need help.

Immigration is necessary for roles we actually require and that doesn't include deliveroo. Control via the visa system which strangely works for a whole host of educated immigrants who are marginalised by the change of attitudes driven by the freeloaders. And you continually conflate the two vastly different groups of immigrants which boils down to instant taxpayers and on the other hand, freeloaders.

And you are 100% using ChapGPT so not even reading a response but downright copying and pasting into the net to get a response. You are not debating but trolling. Do you even read what you post ?

I am more than aware how ADHD meds work as I live with it in my home daily and your excuse is bull. If anything they will dumb the mind, not sharpen it. And you said you have just started them. Its a disgraceful attempt at garnering some sort of pity and it doesn't wash.

First off, I referenced the percentage because they received only 0.42% of the vote in Ireland. This indicates how little traction far-right views have gained in mainstream Irish politics, despite concerns over immigration. It doesn't invalidate your point that there are serious discussions about immigration, but it does highlight that extreme positions don't reflect the broader public's views.

As for the polls you're referencing, while I don't dispute that some may show concerns about the current system, it’s important to acknowledge that not all immigrants can be labeled as "freeloaders." There is a huge difference between those who abuse the system and those who are genuinely fleeing persecution or contributing to sectors that need workers.

Regarding the visa system, it is true that visas allow skilled workers to enter the country, but framing Deliveroo workers as unnecessary is a generalization. Gig economy jobs like these fill an important role and provide income for people, especially in urban areas where delivery services are in demand.

As for ADHD meds, everyone’s experience is different, and I’m just explaining how they’ve impacted my productivity in a positive way. There’s no need for personal attacks—let’s keep it focused on the actual issue.

Control via the visa system which strangely works for a whole host of educated immigrants who are marginalised by the change of attitudes driven by the freeloaders.

Spot on. This is where the left do the most damage, they make migration a free-for-all and thus foster ill-feeling in the wider society as a result.

The often trotted out mealy-mouthed lame excuse is that we 'need' immigrants to work the hospitality industry and other such manual labour jobs. This is utter lunacy as we have an unemployment rate of 10.6% in our 15yo to 24yo age group, across the EU other nations such as Spain have a 26.4% unemployment rate in the same age group, Greece similar.

With this staggering amount of an untapped labour market - one rightly questions why we are looking not only just beyond Ireland's borders but beyond the EU's borders too to fill low-skilled manual labour roles.

As the next election approaches, hard questions need to be asked of the incumbents running again as to why they have/are failing the youth of Ireland and indeed the youth of our 'European brothers' in preference of non-EU workers.

Without evidence, it's difficult to take your anecdote about your neighbor seriously.

System inefficiencies or human errors can certainly happen, but that doesn’t mean the entire process is a failure. There are numerous checks, and Ireland, like other EU countries, follows specific protocols for processing asylum claims under international and European law.

To your broader point about security risks: no system is perfect, but there are well-documented screening measures in place, including background checks, fingerprinting, and data-sharing with other countries. According to reports from the European Commission and the International Protection Office, these processes are critical in identifying potential threats and ensuring that applicants are not security risks. While isolated incidents can and do occur, the vast majority of those seeking asylum are fleeing persecution, not creating further harm.

Comparing this issue to the abuse scandals in the Catholic Church is quite a leap. The abuses within the Church were systematic and covered up by powerful institutions. The asylum process is open to scrutiny, subject to international standards, and regularly reformed when necessary.

Regarding mass migration: Ireland doesn't have an "open borders" policy. Immigration is regulated and controlled. Many of those entering the country, whether asylum seekers or workers, contribute to sectors like healthcare, hospitality, and agriculture, which are experiencing shortages.

Incorrect. Ireland has a structured immigration and asylum system, governed by both national laws and international agreements. While asylum seekers have the right to apply for protection upon arrival, they must go through a rigorous legal process to prove they are fleeing persecution. The process includes interviews, fingerprinting, and checks under the Common European Asylum System (CEAS). I have mentioned all of this multiple times but I have no problem repeating it. Not everyone who applies for asylum is granted protection, and many applications are ultimately rejected, with unsuccessful applicants subject to deportation unless they win appeals.

For non-EU citizens, entry into Ireland is subject to visa and immigration controls. Ireland requires people to apply for visas or residency permits based on the purpose of their visit, such as work, study, or family reunification.

Saying this does not make it so I'm afraid. It also does not align with the actual figures. While concerns about immigration and asylum are valid, the overall number of asylum seekers in Ireland remains small relative to the national population. In 2023, approximately 13,276 international protection applicants were registered in Ireland. This represents about 0.26% of Ireland's total population of over 5 million people, a very modest proportion when compared to the entire country's population​

Asylum seekers go through a legal process to determine whether they qualify for protection under Irish and EU law, and this is far from the "open borders" situation suggested. They are not automatically granted the right to stay indefinitely and face deportation if their claims are unsuccessful. The idea that asylum seekers significantly overwhelm Ireland does not hold up when you consider their relatively small numbers in the context of the Irish population as a whole.

The number you quote arriving in 2023 is about a quarter of the number of kids born each year So the annual rate is equivalent to c.25% of those born here each year.

Ireland, like many countries, struggles with lengthy legal processes related to appeals and deportation orders, which can delay returns. This reflects legal complexities rather than an absence of deportations. ​However, this does not mean people are allowed to stay indefinitely. Unsuccessful asylum seekers may be issued deportation orders, and many voluntarily leave under supervision. The process is not perfect, but to suggest that no one is ever sent back is an exaggeration of the real situation.

It’s difficult to provide precise numbers on voluntary departures, as this is often categorized separately from deportation figures. The government has reported that many individuals choose to leave voluntarily under supervised programs, but exact numbers are not always disclosed or tracked in the same way. That said, in 2020, the Department of Justice stated that 529 people had left voluntarily between 2011 and 2020, with the numbers varying year by year.

These figures show that while challenges exist, people are not always allowed to stay indefinitely, contrary to claims of “de facto open borders.”

Please provide sources so that I don't have to fact check your numbers and it will also prevent me from having to ask for sources. Naturally I will need sources for any figures you mention in your posts.

Regarding the claim that 35,000 asylum seekers are expected to arrive in 2025, there is currently no official confirmation or data supporting this figure. Perhaps you can find a source. The jump to 35,000 for 2025 remains speculative unless it can be verified through official sources. I will await sources.

Please also provide data on the 148,000 figure. Be sure that the source distinguishes between those currently in the system and those who have been granted status or have moved on.

The assertion that the standard of accommodation for new arrivals in Ireland will be lower lacks substantiation. While there are challenges regarding the availability of housing, the Irish government is actively working to provide appropriate accommodations for asylum seekers and those fleeing conflicts, such as those from Ukraine. Initiatives have been implemented to ensure that accommodation standards remain high, regardless of the rising demand.

Regarding the claim that the price of modular homes has skyrocketed, it’s essential to consider that while construction costs have indeed risen, the government is exploring various strategies to manage housing supply effectively. This includes engaging with local authorities and private sectors to maintain standards and affordability​.

Moreover, the idea that many asylum seekers are making false claims is an unfounded generalization. The majority of individuals seeking asylum undergo rigorous vetting processes to determine their eligibility for protection, and data indicate that only a small percentage of applications are deemed fraudulent or are denied.

Overall, it's crucial to approach this issue with a balanced perspective, recognizing both the challenges and the ongoing efforts to address them.

No nor did I claim it . I did see it mentioned in a link .

f sake do I have to link everything I post . You dont seemed well informed . Gaslighting .

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-planning-to-accommodate-up-to-35000-asylum-seekers-by-2028-1606977.html

https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/up-to-50000-asylum-seekers-to-need-housing-by-2026-memo-warns/

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0624/1456380-ukrainians-ireland/#:~:text=Number%20of%20Ukrainian%20arrivals%20grew%20between%20February%20and%20June&text=The%20number%20of%20Ukrainians%20arriving,from%20Ukraine%20since%20March%202022.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/05/10/number-of-asylum-seekers-being-accommodated-by-state-exceeds-30000-for-the-first-time/

529? Over a whole decade?

That’s sweet fùck all of the tens of thousands of arrivals and only shows how limp and toothless our policies are re repatriation

While deportations are one element of managing immigration, the number of voluntary returns is much higher, and deportation is not the sole measure of a country's immigration enforcement. Voluntary returns are often preferred as they are less costly and avoid lengthy legal challenges, which is why they are frequently encouraged through programs supported by organizations like the International Organization for Migration (IOM). These voluntary returns often go uncounted in basic deportation statistics, making the official number appear lower than the actual number of people leaving.

Additionally, asylum systems operate within a legal framework, ensuring that each case is evaluated fairly and thoroughly, which can take time. Lengthy legal processes often arise due to the complex nature of asylum claims, appeals, and human rights considerations. Ireland is also bound by international obligations under the European Union's legal framework and the UN Refugee Convention, ensuring individuals are not wrongfully deported.

Finally, it's worth noting that many countries face challenges in deporting individuals due to diplomatic issues, non-cooperation from countries of origin, and ensuring compliance with international human rights law. These factors make deportations a more nuanced issue than simple numbers might suggest.

For these reasons, deportation numbers might not reflect the full picture of how the immigration system operates in practice.