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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,157 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    In O'Donghaile's case SF could have awaited the PSNI decision not to prosecute and never said anything, and nobody would ever have been the wiser.

    Instead, they removed him from the senate and the party.

    I have already said the tribute was OTT, but I can see why she was in an impossible position, say nothing and raise a controversy when someone is in a bad place mentally or issue a statement and move on.

    And I have said if it emerges that his mental health situation was a concoction between him and SF then that is indeed a resigning matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Through a contact in Kildare Co Co I finally learned the particulars of the Stanley accusation & counter claim.

    Don't worry mods I wont be sharing any of it here.

    Suffice to say it's a hill of beans that should've been shut down internally day 1. A complete own goal for SF. Funnily enough their own internal structures have exacerbated the whole thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,157 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    As somebody previously said there are several versions floating around on WhatsApp.

    Which one to believe is a matter of choice, I wouldn't believe any of them tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,427 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    A PM with the details would be appreciated though 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,676 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Telling blatant lies is a lot more than giving an OTT tribute.

    She quite deliberately set out to mislead the public on the reasons for his resignation. Saying nothing would have been better than intentionally peddling lies.

    Looking after a "good republican" and the reputation of Sinn Fein was much more important to her than being honest with the public, and indeed much more important to her than the possible impact on the mental health of O'Donnghaile's intended victim when they would have seen such a glowing tribute.

    Add in Sinn Féin's collusion in covering up his resignation for 3 months which facilitated O'Donnghaile extracting additional unwarranted pay, and claiming travel expenses for 3 months that he didn't attend Leinster House, from the exchequer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,597 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I’m afraid SF are a beaten docket as we stand right now.

    All along they had been processing themselves on being ‘very clear’ on all issues that they had no governmental input in.

    Then when the spotlight shines on them they suddenly become ‘very muddy’.

    Obfuscating, denying, indulging in whataboutery, behaving like a poorly run mafia outfit in the 60s.

    Certainly not a party I would like to see holding the reins of power in our country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,223 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Some prominent SF people retweeting posts lauding Sinwar.

    Until SF get the radical woke types out, it is a busted flush



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    What did they get in the locals, about 12%.

    I doubt they'll poll that low in a GE but still don't see them anywhere near FF/FG.

    This is a real setback for the younger generations who rightly wanted change & a sense of hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,157 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    As I said, they could have buried this completely on foot of a no prosecution statement from the PSNI which would have had impact on the victim too. A catch 22 situation.

    You are entitled to your view, I see it differently.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    In your view, given how much time he spent in Dublin, should they not also have informed the gardai about an allegation made against him by a minor and if not why not - surely child protection is paramount within SF?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭standardg60


    The IT reported that was the finding of the investigation.

    Stanley didn't go to the guards because that's not what happens in SF, he made his complaint to them. Funnily enough ML stated that if the original complaint had been criminal they would have gone straight to the guards but for some reason when Stanley made his they didn't.

    And why was it up to SF to decide which complaint was 'criminal' and which one wasn't in the first place? Unless they and their barrister member were actually doing the deciding themselves, aka kangaroo court. Only when exposed as such did they run to the guards with BOTH complaints, two months later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,157 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't know Seth, is the straight answer but they should have to and they should accept it if it was a failing as they did in the McMonagle case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,157 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They haven't decided anything, they sent the complaint and counterclaim and the texts to the Gardai to assess and take action.
    They also sent O'Donghaile's texts to the PSNI and responded to a PSNI investigation in McMonagle's case..

    It is incontrovertible that they go to the authorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Now that the election is 99.9% certain in late November, how do we see the arithmetic working to put MLMD in the Taoiseach's office?

    How many additional seats can SF win? Who will make up any shortfall? It's hard to see the Soc Dems stepping up (even if they have enough seats)- Holly Cairns is not ready to be in govt either professionally or personally.

    Will Bacik's Labour be interested in crowning their main rival? They have a perfect excuse after the last 2 weeks.

    SF's main hope lies (and has always laid) with a weakened FF being willing to agree to a junior partner arrangement. They don't appear weak enough yet for this to happen. Michael Martin's incumbency is a major stumbling block.

    It will be difficult to get enough cohesion in the Independents to build a stable platform that puts 'the peoples Taoiseach' where she believes she ought to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,937 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    SF are not going to get more seats than FF at this stage. Which would mean their only chance of entering government is an FF-SF-Others "anyone but Harris" coalition, in which they would have to argue for rotation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭standardg60


    They did decide though? They decided the initial complaint wasn't criminal and also decided Stanley's complaint wasn't either because A they didn't go to the guards straightaway and B they found against him in their 'trial'.

    Stanley resigns on Saturday night and they're down to the guards on Sunday. Why? For no other reason than to pull the shutters down and go silent because it's 'in the hands of the authorities now '.

    Authorities they never want to go near until it suits THEM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,157 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'm not sure what the point is here.
    Whether the finding was for or against him is immaterial.
    All 3 can be true.
    1. He is guilty of the complaint

    2. He is not guilty of the complaint
    3. The counter complaint is potentially criminal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,427 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    There is no logical path to a sinn fein led government at the moment. It won't happen in #GE24. It might in a future election, but post the 2024 election sinn fein are guaranteed to be in opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,706 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    SF is going to lose seats, it appears.
    I would say approx 25 seats. Nowhere near FF or FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 994 ✭✭✭mikep


    I have a feeling that Independent Ireland could nick a few of the SF seats.. particularly the new SF TDs who rode in on SF tidal wave.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,148 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Since the real raison d'etre of SF is a United Ireland, I often wonder how dazzling that policy is to voters at the moment.

    Let's face it, a UI is not really on anyone's agenda on payday is it? There are far more pressing matters for the electorate at the moment which I don't have to point out.

    A UI might happen some day, and many might like to see it happening, but it is not a pressing matter to me anyway and I'd say many others too. In fact for me, talk of a UI turns me right off. I wonder if I am alone in thinking like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    More southerners need to visit NI.

    A weekend in Dungannon or Lurgan might encourage people to rekindle their unity mindset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Listen to this weeks Path to Power, Ivan Yates almost spells it out, Matt Cooper is bent over trying to cover their arse.

    Yates describes it as a "he said, she said" that won't go anywhere with the guards, let alone the DPP. Yates does point out that Stanley has gone for maximum impact as he burnt his bridges, that MLMD has played it badly but her position is not under threat.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,336 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    You’re right. We have a whole raft of high priority live issues here. Housing, the health system and people on trolleys, emigration etc. Adding integration of another territory on to of all this is completely nuts. NI has many, many problems of its own. I’m not even sure they’d be interested in unification either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,511 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Indeed. Absorbing the poorest of the UK regions into our economy and trying to make them solvent at the same time is going to cost us a lot in tax rises. Potential for terrorist acts would be back in the frame from those not happy in a UI and Dublin would no doubt lose jobs to Belfast, as the Irish govt tries to run more private industry into the North.

    Plenty of things to be sorting out in our own backyard first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,427 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    United Ireland is something I'd have as a nice to have for me. Now if I was living in the north it might be much higher priority, but as someone as far away as possible from NI (Cork), I'd very much be looking at housing, education, healthcare and loads more as a higher priority than United Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Pauline Tully, Sorca Clarke, Martin Browne, Johnny Mythen and Maurice Quinlivan are all under pressure. 3 from these plus the defectors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,937 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Reada Cronin, zero councillors, ~6% FPV in area in locals, done nothing for five years is also under severe threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Chris Andrews too

    Any threat for Mark Ward in Dublin MW? Strong vote last time but any far right eating into that will hurt them for sure. Perhaps more likely that Gino Kelly is hurt by it?

    They’d be as well not wasting resources in Dublin Rathdown and Dún Laoghaire.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,937 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Chris Andrews isn't even selected yet I believe



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