Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

All trump seems to have to go on and has been babbling it on for years is "Make America Great Again"

He doesn't even know what that means.

Remember Comical Ali.

I thought of him as I read your post.

Any idea why?

People have been downplaying Bidens ability for literal years now.

But here's the thing, there hasn't been a single incident in Bidens term where his ability has been seriously questioned.

In terms of his role, there's always going to be vacuous comments saying 'he should do this', 'he should do that' etc, but there has been no story, not one, where the likes of Fox have been able to even hint at a story of 'this happened because he failed to act because of his inability'

And he's had Covid recovery, inflation, Ukraine, Gaza and climate events during his term where he needed to be on his game in the direction he gave. I will forever denounce him for his role in the butchering of Gazans but that's an issue I have with his policy, not his ability. His opponents say he should support Israel more so they can't say how he has acted has been a failure of his ability.

Compare that with Trump during his term. The inability to have a stable administration, the inability to have collaborative relationships with staunch allies of the US, the inflaming of tensions regarding BLM, the abysmal handling of Covid. All failures because of his ability, not inspite of them. Not to mention failure to build a Mexico funded wall or deliver an alternative to Obamacare.

Biden today has more ability than Trump had on his best day. And those best days, are lonnggg in the past.

I'm not sure if Trump is a racist in the commonly-understood sense of the word. Donald Trump would hate poor black people, certainly, but more 'cause they're poor, and therefore losers in his eyes, rather than because they're black. He would hate the poor ones of every other ethnicity, also. However, if they are black and have a considerable amount of fame/money as well as complimentary things to say about the former president, Trump will take most kindly to them.

I can imagine Trump looking at the idea of a white v black season of The Apprentice and just being so mesmerised by the potential ratings that the insensitivity of it was essentially an afterthought in his mind.

didn’t he fall asleep yesterday mid event ? And was rambling about Weinstein getting “schlonged“….. I wouldn’t call that stamina… maybe deterioration ?

Intelligent folk probably understand that's it a reflection of the dumbness of the Trump supporters rather than being Harris fault.

I can fully believe that Trump himself would defend someone like Harvey Weinstein, although the fact that he's doing it as Republican presidential nominee is emblematic of what a f-d up place American politics is in right now.

Not to forget that Trump, as sitting president, extended his well wishes to Ghislaine Maxwell - the then-charged, now-convicted ex-wife of notorious paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Of all the people to defend or speak warmly of, these two are outrageously suspect.

The polls and betting markets look very suspicious. There are so many pointers that suggest that the numbers are scewed.

All elections, including 2016, suggest that dems are more popular with voters.

Harris is massively out performing Trump in terms of donations

Her rallies are bigger and Trumps are noticeable smaller than 2016.

Harris got 7.1m audience for her recent Fox Interview. Trump got 3m.

Abortion is consistently a big factor for voters yet apparently it will have no impact on voting. This is proved by the fact Trump has stopped talking constantly about Roe v Wade and has pivoted to IVF.

Everything points against Trump yet the polls suggest that none of the above has had any impact.

This is something that can only be truly assessed after the election because it's only then will we know if the polls were genuinely indicative of the state of the race.

A combination of the reality series The Apprentice and four decades of Vince McMahon’s WWE groomed half of America to fall in love with Donald Trump. It appears that he can do and say anything and his base with stick with him .

Biden's biggest slip up was the debate and at that point, pretty much everyone flipped on him including on here. I don't think any of his slip ups are on the scale of Trump in the last week or so. If Biden spent 40 minutes swaying on stage at a town hall, posters such as yourself would be calling for his impeachment.

Could not continue, or could not win? Cos the motivation behind both is vastly different

My biggest concern of Harris from the outset, was how she’d come across to the voters. People here have been way to reliant on “but Trump is bad evil blah blah blah” - to the degree of inducing nausea at this point .

Harris has done a hell of a lot better than I would have given her credit for- but obviously, what we’ve learned, is that even up against a person like Trump with all of his “baggage”, you can’t rely solely on that to reach the Whitehouse- you have to individually earn that right yourself.
Hillary made that mistake in 2016- yes the FBI investigation didn’t help her- but she’s admitted since that she didn’t understand what the electorate wanted in 2016 - and potentially she was the wrong kind of candidate for that period. (See quote below)

She says she ran a “traditional campaign of well thought out policies” whilst Trump was stoking anger- were essentially back in 2016 again- but arguably America is an even angrier place than it was 8 years ago.

Given the race is so close, unfortunately the deciding voters are probably asking the question “Do I like Harris?” - and many are possibly saying “no I don’t”. This race is so close that it doesn’t matter if you’ve ticked all the boxes on policy, winning debates, going to Fox News for an interview, visited swing states often - it’s so bloody close, that it could be down to likability at this stage - very hard for Harris to influence that in such a short space of time

“Clinton has repeatedly said she didn't think she would lose when she settled into her hotel suite on Election Night. But after extensive reflection -- which she called "excruciating" -- she realized that she may have been the wrong kind of candidate for an electorate that wanted anger and outrage.

"Still, in terms of fighting the previous war, I think it's fair to say that I didn't realize how quickly the ground was shifting under all our feet," Clinton writes. "I was running a traditional presidential campaign with carefully thought-out policies and painstakingly built coalitions, while Trump was running a reality TV show that expertly and relentlessly stoked Americans' anger and resentment."

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/12/politics/hillary-clinton-what-happened-mistakes

I’ll take your word for it that Trump is leading the betting - but I think the Democrats biggest fear was that voters would become complacent if they thought Harris was a shoe-in and would just stay away from the polling booths on the day- the closer this election is, the better it is for the Democrats- they need a sense of urgency to get a traditionally lazy voter ship out to the polls on the day - I’m glad to see Harris has learned the lessons of the 2016 election - I don’t believe she could have done any more as a candidate - but as a person, likability was always going to be her weakest point - I can see why some voters just don’t “like” her - I’ve grown to respect her- I’m not sure I “like” her though - potentially many key voters are of similar mind.

As I said a few weeks back, Harris just has to make it all about Trump and play dirty as possible. I got banned from the thread for a day for noting a legally-proven fact about Trump - Team Harris has to reminding the USA of that fact (and everything else negative).

There's plenty of mud to be flung. Go out there and call him senile. Call him cognitively impaired. Do what you have to do. Reach the women of Anerica above all and hammer them over the head with the moral character of Donald J Trump.

No point sitting there the day after wondering 'what if?'