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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    he looks like hes concentrating so hard on not farting but it slipped and she caught a wiff and is saying "FFS donald,have some dignity"


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants..you sir are the skidmark on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I disagree and think you're ascribing him strategy and abilities he doesn't really have. For example all of his gaffs, bizarre behavior and legal issues are signs that he is not actually good at presenting himself as a suitable candidate.

    I agree that he is remarkably resilient and all of those things seem to just slide off him, but I don't think that due to any conscious skill or ability of his. I think this more just comes from sheer luck as well as willingness from his supporters in the Republican party, the right wing media and his public supporters to help package and justify that stuff. Along with a big helping of just plain ignoring for the sake of the policies he is useful for.

    And even those policies he's not actually good at articulating or promoting. It's more the vague ideas that people support and they trust that people will later on actually make the policies work. Or they understand that Trump would be willing to allow certain policies. These are all things that aren't part of Trump's ability as a candidate, he's just useful for that stuff.

    I think the main thing that Trump consciously does and is "good" at is being willing to say off the wall nonsense that gets attention and appeals to certain audiences on different levels.

    For example, I think he's pretty unique in being willing to blurt out nonsense about immigrants eating pets at a presidential debate. This appeals to some people because they agree with that. It appeals to others because they know that lie is useful for their preferred policies. It appeals to others because they think it's funny or part of some clever secret strategy.

    But again, I don't think this ability is due to Trump having special insight and knows how to play the game. I think he's just the type of person to blurt out nonsense like that and just happened to be able to ride that personality flaw to success through mostly luck.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well we can determine this by looking at the candidates, their history, their comments, their policies, their behavior, their beliefs…

    You've dodged the question. That's about what I expected.

    It's clear you believe that Trump is worse, you just aren't allowed to admit this for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That was quite a measured response compared so some don't you think?

    WTF are the sound effects?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Or I don't really give a shi7 either way and am only popping in to this thread to see if there is any news about the election.

    There isn't, just the same posts repeated again and again.

    What we think is immaterial and why would I give a hoot what others here think .

    I don't get why it is such a big deal to say she is a **** candidate and has slipped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,200 ✭✭✭amandstu


    "Brett Baier spent time yesterday explaining about how Harris got a viral moment because of a mistake he had made that she nailed him on"

    Was that on Fox TV that he went through that?

    Is it on Utube now?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But there's been plenty of people who will agree that she's not very good as a candidate.

    However, she is evidently and obviously miles better than Trump. The issue seems to be with "centrists" and people "who don't really care about the election" simply admitting this.

    I don't get why you're so evasive about a simple question when you claim to not care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The race will be decided by how many Democrat voters walk away or stay home

    That's where the change is



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Early voting turn-out appears to be setting all kinds of records over the last week or so since it started.

    Historically , early voting has tended to be favoured by Democrats and Trump has a long history of telling his supporters that it's fraudulent a dn that in-person on the day voting is the only "safe" vote , although recently they've been trying to shift that message , so who knows who is favoured right now but it's certainly looking like turnout in general isn't going to be a problem.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Interesting Wall Street Journal news piece here (paywalled alas) about how a few big bets on PolyMarket may have skewed the odds toward a Trump victory. Again, it's still an extremely close race so I would not at all be surprised by a betting market somewhat in favour of Trump even without large-scale manipulation. But still worth noting how unreliable a metric it is compared to, say, polling (which itself comes with a heap of caveats and limitations). Also part of a wider trend in how the expansion of sports betting has been an absolute **** show in the US as its reach has expanded well beyond its traditional limits.

    https://www.wsj.com/finance/betting-election-pro-trump-ad74aa71?mod=hp_lead_pos1



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Which I'm sure you'd say about any other person they'd have picked regardless.

    It has nothing to do with their actual merits as a candidate though I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No, the Democrats ran really strong candidates for most of the last 20 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,285 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, it's rather suspicious how Trump became the 4/7 favourite to win this week when all the polls suggest the two candidates should be around 10/11 - Evens - 11/10.

    It would be no surprise at all if the Trump campaign are engaging in dirty tricks to make it look like their candidate is the big favourite to win.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok. Who should they have run this time?

    Which candidate do you believe would be better than Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Twitter

    https://x.com/GeoffBrown82/status/1847134530525859954?t=Tl-GSeJhUzbx_-l8HIpnKA&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I never said he's great. What's the first word in the sentence? I know details and specifics aren't your forte



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    What time are those court documents being unsealed at today?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The narrative certainly helps them sell the "They've stolen it again!!!" story to the Maga faithful



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Don't know.

    Does Team Trump have an option to go higher with their objection here?

    Could there be a last minute appeal up the Judicial food chain here?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Without speculating on who would / wouldn't be better than Harris, I do think the original sin in this election cycle for the Dems was foregoing a nomination process despite long-standing concerns about Biden's fitness for a second term.

    It's all hindsight stuff now, but a proper, 'ordinary' primary campaign on the Dem side would've meant a very different race and quite possibly a different candidate. Even if Harris emerged victorious from that (very possible as she's the VP), the whole pace and tone of the election would've been entirely different - and the toxic news cycle the Dems had to endure for a month or two after Biden's historically disastrous debate wouldn't have happened.

    Though there's also an argument that the late change of candidate shifted the race so dramatically it possibly gave Harris more rapid momentum than a Dem would've gotten out of an ordinary selection process. But again, we are where we are, so it's all hypotethical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Waiting for Judge Chutkan!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,330 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    I would be fairly certain that Harris will win fairly handily. Trump was talking about eating pets again, no doubt he was told to shut up about that, but he can't help himself. There is a certain portion of the population who are going to vote for him anyway, but after that, you would want your head examined voting for him. I believe there is a big enough % of the population with common sense.

    The problem is now what happens after she wins. All the racist rhetoric, talk of voter fraud etc is geared towards when he does lose. The media are not helping the situation. A close race is in their best interests, but not that of the general population. Imagine if Biden or Harris had decided to answer no more questions and just had a silent disco in their own minds ? Can only be two conclusions. 1. They (media corporations) want Trump to win 2. Harris is winning at a canter and they are trying to make Trump look sane, and criticize everything Harris does, to keep the race look close for ratings. I think it is number 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump's answer to question during the Univision town hall on whether he still thinks climate change is a hoax, right before pulling out of all but the friendliest of 'interviews' like Fox and Friends this morning (warning, replete with lies eg. 1/8" over 300 years, bogus cost of 'green new deal' etc. etc.):

    "What I do think is this. We can’t destroy our country over being forced to do things. they want to do the green New Deal, they call it the green New Deal some people call it the green new hoax. They want to spend 93 trillion dollars on the climate. Now I happen to think there are very important elements of climate: water and air. In my administration I had the cleanest air on record, and yet I didn’t destroy jobs. I had the most jobs of any administration ever. I also had the cleanest water, crystal clean. We had the cleanest water, the cleanest air. To me those are the primary factors. Clean water, clean air. We went into rural parts of the country and fixed people’s water. They were drinking such terrible water. It was very important to me. All of that’s important. At the same time, you can’t give up your country. You can’t say that we’re not gonna have any jobs anymore. If they said, if they took their ultimate, which is 93 trillion, the Green New Deal, 93 trillion, that’s more money than we would have in 20 years. We wouldn’t be able to survive. We wouldn’t be able to live. So I always feel that with the climate and I have been a great, I have been an environmentalist. I built many things. I own Doral right next door and we did that in a very environment—I got awards, environmental awards for the way I built it, for the water, the way I use the water, the sand, the mixing of the sand and the water. I mean. Many different. But I’ve had many awards over the years for environmental, the way l’ve built, because you know about building, that’s what you do. It’s very important to me. At the same time, we can’t destroy our country and we’re competing against countries that don’t spend anything on climate change, like China and others. And they’re able to make their product for tremendously less than us. And we’re not going to let that happen either. We have to have a strong country and we have to have a nice climate. And there’s nobody better at that I think at that combination than me. I will say this though. I hear a lot about climate and they talk about global warming etc etc. Because they used to call it global warming now they call it climate change cause that covers everything, global warming. The real global warming that we have to worry about is nuclear. The water is coming up 1/8 of an inch over 300 years, the ocean is going to rise and you know nobody knows if that’s true or not but they’re worried about the ocean rising an 1/8 of an inch or a quarter of an inch in 300 years. What I’m worried about is nuclear weapons tomorrow."

    ... I mixed the sand and the water, I am an environmentalist.

    Trump rolled back clean water protections in 2019. And 100 other environmental rules:

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    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html

    Some of these lies like the GND cost and sea level rise and his environmental record are years old, and he doesn't seem to have as much trouble repeating those off, but when he tries to throw in a new improvisation as he did here, he has a very difficult time piecing together what would be considered a coherent sentence:

    "I built many things. I own Doral right next door and we did that in a very environment—I got awards, environmental awards for the way I built it, for the water, the way I use the water, the sand, the mixing of the sand and the water. I mean. Many different."

    There was also the moment in his Jan 6 answer that got a lot of play where the audience was visibly taken aback and confused at his answer:

    "Ashli Babbit was killed. Nobody was killed."

    Last night at the Al Smith dinner he tried to attack Harris for her quote "cognitive ………… function," but he struggled to read that very statement on the paper in front of him, appearing to have difficulty either reading the word or I don't know what. But his team have pulled him from the debate, from 60 minutes, from a softball interview on CNBC, they've backed out of booking with Black podcasters, he won't even go on Fox unless it's the friendliest of the opinionators like Harris Faulkner in front of a preselected pro-trump audience, or on Fox and Friends whom have for years allowed him to basically take their show hostage on a whim. But anything that might be semi-contentious, or possibly upset him, or take him out of his comfort zone, it's out of the question now. Even when a sycophantic town hall with Kristi Noem went off the rails with medical emergencies it threw Trump off script into a swaying musical "love-in TM" for 39 minutes, with his handlers begging him to get back on program and failing. "Please do two more questions before music."

    Not to mention "They're eating the dogs" and "The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food."

    The Trump camp is really walking a tightrope in the final weeks, trying to keep Trump from having yet another major public car crash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,200 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I tend to agree with the comments that he should have acknowledged his "mistake" in real time if it had been a genuine mistake.

    Well done to KH for not taking that sleazy shít.

    I was watching that in real time and just assumed it was normal "journalism".

    I know better now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    As Colbert pointed out again last night in his monologue, Baier may present himself as a more 'journalist' face on Fox News but he's just as in the tank as the rest of them, citing the Dominion/Smartmatic lawsuits:

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    Source: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/all-the-texts-fox-news-didnt-want-you-to-read.html

    Baier was squirming that Fox News called Arizona for Biden (which, he won) and complaining that it was 'uncomfortable' to report it on air and defend the call. He was more worried about how uncomfortable it made him to report the news than the news being correct. He was more worried about, presumably, ratings, and not experiencing the backlash from their (rabid) viewer base.

    It is sleaze. Yes.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    if you “invite us” why not add the link? This nonsense is infuriating

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That poor women's going to **** herself to death in solidarity with her God Trump.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Fox News have always been more concerned with how information makes their viewers FEEL than any prioritisation of facts.

    The Facts were upsetting their viewers , so they wanted to say something different.



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