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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    And also, unfortunately, do not underestimate the Democratic party's capacity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Juran


    I notice Trumps recent rallies, where he is dancing on stage, that he has no support team behind him. No sign of his kids who were always stuck to him in 2016, Ivana & Jared never left his side before, now they are keeping their distance. Yes, the family & wife were rolled out at the start for a launch, but I,d say they were forced to go, and agreed to in the hope they'll never be asked again. They must be praying Harris gets in. His kids made so much money from their fathers presidency that they are so busy now investing it, spending it, etc. They dont want or need the circus distraction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Can't see that at all. She had momentum after Biden was pushed out but now it's all very flat and meh. Hope i'm wrong but it's going to be ridiculously close. Mad it's come to this what the heck is wrong with America???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Honestly would you not imagine it's because he was shot on stage recently, Im sure its effected who wants to get up there ,lets live in the real world & give the most likely explanations ,

    If you like him or not why over look something so massive,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    All i remember in 2020 is poll after poll showing Biden in a comfortable lead at this stage. We can wish as hard as we please but it doesn't change the fact it's a complete coin flip right now. The Harris surge just hasn't materialised and no amount of wishing is going to change that simple fact.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,613 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I never said there was a surge. I just don't see how he increases his base. It's a considerable base despite his various gaffes and displays to complete and utter incompetence but it's not enough by itself.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They weren't there before he got shot either though , so it's not like they are only recently staying away - They've barely been seen from Day 1.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Which issue do you have seeing? The issue with pretending that a twitter thread was their own words in place of making their own arguments?

    Or the issue that the twitter thread came from a far right anti-vaxxer Alex Jones guy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Anyone looking at the polls and thinking that "their guy" is a shoe in is just deluding themselves. Any poll submitted so far has been pretty much a neck and neck outcome and in any case, most polling data is useless the next day. Especially so when it's essentially a 50/50 scenario.

    I'll say it again, the only poll that matters a jot is the one that's happening next month. It's the only one where you'll have a truly reliable outcome.



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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would say they are seriously worried about going to prison if Trump tries a Jan 6th insurrection MK2. They know where their father is heading and don't want to be dragged under with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    But haven't you heard? It was "car crash" apparently.

    😐️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Weren't his 2 grand kids on stage with him in North Carolina ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭mun1


    a lot of angry/frustrated trump folk around here today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,625 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Really good post and my thoughts exactly.

    How can you trust poll numbers when there is no dip after a felony conviction? Or after a sexual assault charge is held up?

    As I have posted before, there is a large cohort of people who are not getting polled. People who dont have a landline, and dont answer calls from unrecognized numbers. If I am at home and there is a knock on the door, it is 50/50 whether I will answer it. I am not the only one like this.

    Mike Pence, who was Trumps own Vice President has refused to endorse him. The Secretary of the Navy, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the Chief of Staff of the Department for Homeland Security, all of them registered republicans have refused to endorse Trump. Am I really meant to believe that 50% of the people in the US, don't care that these people refuse to endorse Trump?



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,654 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I agree with this, Harris' lack of baggage will ultimately ensure a fairly comfortable win.

    2016 was as much about Clinton losing than Trump winning.

    And 2024 Biden had baggage.of his own.

    Wwhilst Harris might not be the mos t inspiring candidate there is very little demonstrably objectionable about her, unlike Clinton, 2024 Biden and indeed Trump.

    So with Harris as candidate, the two horse race, one is a lunatic and one is not, which are you going to choose argument is significantly stronger.

    So when push comes.to shove on polling day, huge numbers of the middle ground will vote on those lines, not ideal but at least she's not a lunatic.

    II think that will translate into a fairly comfortable win in the end, despite the current tight polls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It is neck and neck but the Harris campaign have slipped, maybe still have enough to win, but they have slipped and the Trump campaign has slightly strengthened.

    After this week the Red will be a little happier than the blue, marginal but still happier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    If you don't see the issue with someone full on post dumping from a conspiracy theorist twitter account and then editing the post in an attempt to hide the fact they were full on plagiarising the arguments made, rather than engage in good faith debate,

    then I don't know how to help you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    it was great if you wanted to watch a clip of him trying to attack others for their “cognitive …. «struggles to process word on sheet in front of him» … faculties”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    For all the GQP loons talk about competency, Harris picked up the missing bits mid interview and was able to reverse it on Baier.

    trump has never ever shown that competence in anything he's doing.

    Again, clear evidence that the trumpers will be completely unable to counter and will have to run away or get "busy" for when challenged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Picture of Trump and Melania at same dinner, certainly both seem full of fire

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    

    I don't think looking at the polls indicates that anyone is a shoe in. How could they when they are so close.

    The experience of Trumps previous polling is that he out performs polls. That indicates to me that he is the slight favourite at this point to win.

    The issue for the Harris campaign is that nothing seems to stick. If a normal candidate acted like Trump did during the last week, or indeed if Harris did the same, the campaign would be over. Harris on the other hand is dealing with nitpicking over a satisfactory if uninspiring interview.

    There seems to be no way to cut through and actually land blows on Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The plagairism allegations against Harris appear to be from an Austrian anti-plagiarism activist whose post was picked up by a US Republican and now regurgitated by that well-known truth-teller, J D Vance.

    I think you will find that what happened was that some sentences which should have been in "…" and with source cited, were not properly written, but that the source was mentioned in end-notes or a bibliography. Sloppy writing which happens a lot. Not a reason for the usual GOP character assassination.

    While we are at it, how much of The Art of the Deal did DGT actually write, and what are the views of his co-author now?

    We really should be discussing more substantive policy issues instead of having to deal with the Steve Bannon inspired strategy of "flooding the zone with sh*t"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Who knows but they had a good week numbers wise and Harris slipped.

    Both are slight changes but In a race so incredibly tight, you don't want to slip even a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Well, a huge number of Trump supporters will defend the man until the end. It was probably naive to expect any kind of dip. Trump has successfully normalised his craziness and is effectively playing by a different ruleset to pretty much every other American politician. Trump could be implicated in a scandal every single day that would pretty much end the career of any other politician, and the needle would barely move.

    Once the likes of Pence move against Trump, they just become another 'RINO' or member of 'the Uniparty' in MAGA's eyes. To them, when all these names denounce Trump, that's really just a sign that Trump has the establishment on the run.

    Nothing can really be done about these people in the short term. All that can be done for now is to get more Harris voters to the polls. The roots of MAGA go very, very deep, I believe, and unpicking the phenomenon in a peaceful way will require decades of work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I see that you thanked a post yesterday that was nothing but blatant plagiarism. Not only is it doubtful that your claims about Harris have any merit but to suggest you actually care about plagiarism is having a laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    yes Twitter appears to have told a lot of people that…..



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The lack of meaningful variation in the polling is just odd though.. There are polls every few days and the level of movement is tiny.

    40%+ of voters are Independent in the US , you'd have thought that their polling would ebb and flow a lot more in reaction to things that are happening , When a candidate does something good/bad the polling should move in response even if it's only temporarily.

    But you just don't see that , other than in the immediate aftermath of Harris coming in for Biden when she quickly closed the gap to Trump that was there before , the polls have been almost static.

    Putting on my nerd hat here :-

    Statistically speaking , the lack of meaningful variance in what should be an "uncontrolled" data set is really really strange.

    There should be way more peaks and troughs over time then we are seeing. That suggests that the pollsters are normalising the hell out of their data and excluding all those outliers from the data , which they shouldn't really be doing for this kind of dataset.



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